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Posted: 05/07/19 02:27am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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16% is good if the truck can handle it...5ers tow so nice because they have high hitch weights. Semi's go upwards of 50% for a reason.

It would be good to clarify, by higher hitch weight, you are referring the weight distributing system not the trucks receiver hitch. For the trucks receiver hitch bigger is better.

A WD hitch will change those numbers but with no indication of the specific truck make sure to check the RAWR and payload with passengers and gear in the truck...if this is a light duty 1/2ton or SUV you might be marginal.


It's a 2002 Excursion with a V10 and 4.30 gears. Its basically an F250 with an SUV body.

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Thanks to all who have replied. My wife is anxious to get out camping this weekend!

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valhalla360 wrote:

16% is good if the truck can handle it...5ers tow so nice because they have high hitch weights. Semi's go upwards of 50% for a reason.
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The main reason Semi's tow so well is because their hitch point is directly above or near the rear axles. This doesn't allow the trailer to have a leverage effect on the tow vehicle.

Another reason that they tow well is because the trailer wheels are placed far to the rear of the trailer (resulting in high hitch weights) - unlike travel trailers which have the axles placed near or slightly behind the center of the trailer to allow reasonable tongue weights for our light duty trucks and SUV's.

This is the reason that the Hensley hitch tows well. It projects the hitch point forward to near the rear axle of the tow vehicle and therefor the trailer does not exert horizontal movement on the truck that can be felt (think sway).
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BarneyS wrote:

The main reason Semi's tow so well is because their hitch point is directly above or near the rear axles. This doesn't allow the trailer to have a leverage effect on the tow vehicle.

Another reason that they tow well is because the trailer wheels are placed far to the rear of the trailer (resulting in high hitch weights) - unlike travel trailers which have the axles placed near or slightly behind the center of the trailer to allow reasonable tongue weights for our light duty trucks and SUV's.


Having the hitch over the rear axle helps a little but it's definitely secondary.

Moving the wheels back is increasing the hitch weight...that's how they do it at the design stage.


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If you haven't bought the hitch yet, you might consider an upgrade to something like the Equal-i-zer 4 point hitch. It or the Husky Centerline are better options for not a lot more money.

Still go for 1400 lbs setup though.


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valhalla360 wrote:

16% is good if the truck can handle it...5ers tow so nice because they have high hitch weights. Semi's go upwards of 50% for a reason.

It would be good to clarify, by higher hitch weight, you are referring the weight distributing system not the trucks receiver hitch. For the trucks receiver hitch bigger is better.

A WD hitch will change those numbers but with no indication of the specific truck make sure to check the RAWR and payload with passengers and gear in the truck...if this is a light duty 1/2ton or SUV you might be marginal.


Or if it's an Excursion like the OP said above then no need to worry about checking that stuff.


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Thanks to all who have replied. My wife is anxious to get out camping this weekend!


Then get a wdh and set it up where the front is back to empty ride height. In you scenario, you have enough tongue weight to keep the back end planted and put the 500lbs lost on the front axle back on the front.

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Grit dog wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

16% is good if the truck can handle it...5ers tow so nice because they have high hitch weights. Semi's go upwards of 50% for a reason.

It would be good to clarify, by higher hitch weight, you are referring the weight distributing system not the trucks receiver hitch. For the trucks receiver hitch bigger is better.

A WD hitch will change those numbers but with no indication of the specific truck make sure to check the RAWR and payload with passengers and gear in the truck...if this is a light duty 1/2ton or SUV you might be marginal.


Or if it's an Excursion like the OP said above then no need to worry about checking that stuff.


And that's why I said "IF".

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gmckenzie wrote:

If you haven't bought the hitch yet, you might consider an upgrade to something like the Equal-i-zer 4 point hitch. It or the Husky Centerline are better options for not a lot more money.

Still go for 1400 lbs setup though.


Thanks for the suggestion, I wish I had seen it before ordering the Curt hitch.

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My instance was I have a 10k gvwr trailer that has a 1280 tongue weight also and the dealer set me up with a 10k/1k hitch. It was not enough hitch for the tongue weight IMO. It pulled it yes, but the spring bars were not hefty enough. Towed like that for a year and then decided to upgrade to the 14k/1400 Equal-izer brand and it was night and day the difference in stability and ride. No more wiggle and no more bounce going over bridge expansion joints.

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