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Posted: 05/26/19 04:37am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Even though you never use it, just remember to keep your key hole lubricated. I've seen them seized up from no use and just about impossible to fix. You may need to use it someday.

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fj12ryder wrote:

If you all like them I don't really care. To me they are a "convenience", and one I can easily live without. Complexity in all things is not necessarily a good thing. Free country, don'cha know.


have you/do you own a vehicle now that uses one? a 1939 hupmobile won't have these modern conveniences. other conveniences that are not in your hupmobile are electric windows, intermittent wipers, air conditioning, etc. try some.
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I really like the old ones better, they are now $5 to $10 each and easy to program.


I was pricing the "old" ones and the amazon ads are a trifle misleading, some of the $5/10 ones are the empty cases only. and easy to program???, I checked that out and there are multiple steps,etc. involved and there was a warning that if you messed up, then it called for a trip to a Lock$mith $$$$ to correct.
had the statement "DIY step by step self-programming instructions included, some vehicles require dealer or locksmith programming"
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fj12ryder wrote:

If you all like them I don't really care. To me they are a "convenience", and one I can easily live without. Complexity in all things is not necessarily a good thing. Free country, don'cha know.

I'm the opposite. I like to evolve with the latest technology. In the '80s, solid state was hit or miss. Now, most of it is far more reliable and longer lasting than mechanical devices. Microprocessor control is the best thing going for our vehicles. If Ford would offer a hybrid F250 with a variable frequency drive like the Prius but capable of towing a TT or 5th wheel, I'd be first in line.


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fj12ryder wrote:

If you all like them I don't really care. To me they are a "convenience", and one I can easily live without. Complexity in all things is not necessarily a good thing. Free country, don'cha know.


have you/do you own a vehicle now that uses one? a 1939 hupmobile won't have these modern conveniences. other conveniences that are not in your hupmobile are electric windows, intermittent wipers, air conditioning, etc. try some.
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Got 'em, can live without 'em. Reminds me of when the carmakers went to flatscreens for all the controls. Sure looked cool, but you had to take your eyes off the road and scroll through screens to turn the radio down, turn on the fan, etc. Really convenient.

Use 'em, don't use 'em. Matters to me not a whit.


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That is evolving as well. Audi’s virtual cockpit uses a CRT screen in place of the normal instrument panel that can be configured many different ways, including conventional instrumentation. Most of the central flat screen functions including a nav system that can use either conventional map or Google Earth display can be transferred to that screen and accessed through the steering wheel. They still use regular knobs and switches for things like climate control, lights, etc. You can do without it, but it sure is nice.


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It's not just a matter of convenience, or having a new bell-and-whistle to tout in brochures. Automakers want to get rid of ignition switches because ignition switches have caused problems for years. Everything from random no-start conditions, to steering interlock problems, to GM's well known recall of defective switches.


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wilber1 wrote:

That is evolving as well. Audi’s virtual cockpit uses a CRT screen in place of the normal instrument panel that can be configured many different ways, including conventional instrumentation. Most of the central flat screen functions including a nav system that can use either conventional map or Google Earth display can be transferred to that screen and accessed through the steering wheel. They still use regular knobs and switches for things like climate control, lights, etc. You can do without it, but it sure is nice.

Our 2016 Ram Laramie has many of the same functions, that and steering wheel controls. Used correctly technology adds to safety. While in our 2001 Ram we had a Parrot device, a blue tooth device for hands free phone use. The Ram is one step better as the control is on the steering wheel. While it also has a voice to text, and will also change incoming text to audio. While many would consider this distracted driving, if hands don’t leave wheel and eyes don’t road and mirrors hardly a distraction.
One other that is very nice to have is “Park Sense” knowing those inches with a good size truck is helpful.


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fj12ryder wrote:

If you all like them I don't really care. To me they are a "convenience", and one I can easily live without. Complexity in all things is not necessarily a good thing. Free country, don'cha know.

I work with technology and security daily which is why I prefer to not have these devices in my vehicle. Manufacturers are behind the technology curve and do not provide a reliable upgrade or remediation path when problems are discovered. Anyone that keeps vehicles beyond the warranty period and has had failures knows the cost and difficulty of getting replacement parts. Sometimes it is the scarcity of the device while other times it is the unavailability of programming tools.

Touch screen displays to me are very much a distraction. You cannot use tactical feel to select the correct control and must divert your driving attention. I even feel Ram could have done better with its physical buttons - Ford has a different texture or pattern on the button face so you know which button by feel.


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can I "assume" that those who consider the "greatly enlarged" key fob to be unacceptable, dumped their large smart phone for a nice small flip phone?
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