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Posted: 06/18/19 01:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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They have been at it longer so that shouldn’t be surprising and will be unlikely to change until more companies start designing EV’s from the ground up instead of adapting existing ICE platforms.

There were others before Tesla. Tesla has defined the market.


Tesla is far from the first EV builder but it is the first major manufacturer of from the ground up EV's. Others are starting, the I3, I Pace and Etron are all ground up EV designs but the Leaf, Hyundai/Kia EV;s, Bolt, E Golf etc are all based on ICE platforms.,


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The only thing specific to Tesla was a loan early on that was repaid ahead of schedule.
The rest of the credits are industry wide with all companies having same eligibility.
Best to hate them all... or write to your Congress representative.


Actually, if you look at how the carbon credit laws are written and how they keep getting stricter and stricter, they are made that only companies that produce EV's or fuel cell vehicles can benefit from them and they don't even consider the added carbon from battery or electricity production.

The tides may be turning in this department as the technology that pulls carbon from the air turning it into fuel keeps advancing. If this happens it allows the automakers to purchase these credits elsewhere which may cut or significantly reduce most of Tesla's cash flow since they cannot survive on car sales alone.

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Ok. Here’s the American bill. Happy deflecting.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.fool.com........3/09/15/why-gm-still-owes-taxpayers.aspx

And puleeze, don’t talk about GM and quality in the same sentence.

Again. JMHO.


I think you need to look up what the term deflection means. If someone brings up an issue with something and a fan boy deflects the issue by bringing up an issue of something else, that is deflecting. Bringing up a fact that GM and Chrysler paid back their loans(not stock purchases that the treasury department sold at the wrong time to get a low ROI on) is NOT deflecting.

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ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:

The only thing specific to Tesla was a loan early on that was repaid ahead of schedule.
The rest of the credits are industry wide with all companies having same eligibility.
Best to hate them all... or write to your Congress representative.


Actually, if you look at how the carbon credit laws are written and how they keep getting stricter and stricter, they are made that only companies that produce EV's or fuel cell vehicles can benefit from them and they don't even consider the added carbon from battery or electricity production.

The tides may be turning in this department as the technology that pulls carbon from the air turning it into fuel keeps advancing. If this happens it allows the automakers to purchase these credits elsewhere which may cut or significantly reduce most of Tesla's cash flow since they cannot survive on car sales alone.
Tesla has a good chance of reaching critical mass before these credits are sourced elsewhere. JMHO.


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ShinerBock wrote:

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Ok. Here’s the American bill. Happy deflecting.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.fool.com........3/09/15/why-gm-still-owes-taxpayers.aspx

And puleeze, don’t talk about GM and quality in the same sentence.

Again. JMHO.


I think you need to look up what the term deflection means. If someone brings up an issue with something and a fan boy deflects the issue by bringing up an issue of something else, that is deflecting. Bringing up a fact that GM and Chrysler paid back their loans(not stock purchases that the treasury department sold at the wrong time to get a low ROI on) is NOT deflecting.


Yah. Justify it anyway you feel warm and fuzzy with it. Still a leech on the taxpayers dime.

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Yah. Justify it anyway you feel warm and fuzzy with it. Still a leech on the taxpayers dime.


Yes, and if you want to discuss it then start a thread about it. This one is about Tesla hence the reason why I was only discussing Tesla and not trying to deflect their issues by talking about a brand that is not the threads topic.

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time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:

The only thing specific to Tesla was a loan early on that was repaid ahead of schedule.
The rest of the credits are industry wide with all companies having same eligibility.
Best to hate them all... or write to your Congress representative.


Actually, if you look at how the carbon credit laws are written and how they keep getting stricter and stricter, they are made that only companies that produce EV's or fuel cell vehicles can benefit from them and they don't even consider the added carbon from battery or electricity production.

The tides may be turning in this department as the technology that pulls carbon from the air turning it into fuel keeps advancing. If this happens it allows the automakers to purchase these credits elsewhere which may cut or significantly reduce most of Tesla's cash flow since they cannot survive on car sales alone.
Tesla has a good chance of reaching critical mass before these credits are sourced elsewhere. JMHO.


They better do it in the next few years because that is when the companies doing this, like Carbon Engineering, are saying they will start production on a commercial scale. It even has the backing of some major investors like Bill Gates and are saying they can actually reverse the amount of carbon in the air while still selling fuel for ICE engines to pay for the costs. Reversing the amount of carbon is something that EV vehicles can't do.

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ShinerBock wrote:

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Yah. Justify it anyway you feel warm and fuzzy with it. Still a leech on the taxpayers dime.


Yes, and if you want to discuss it then start a thread about it. This one is about Tesla hence the reason why I was only discussing Tesla and not trying to deflect their issues by talking about a brand that is not the threads topic.


Yes. You should do that. You did after all start comparing Tesla quality to others sooooo.

Again. All JMHO.

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ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:


Yah. Justify it anyway you feel warm and fuzzy with it. Still a leech on the taxpayers dime.


Yes, and if you want to discuss it then start a thread about it. This one is about Tesla hence the reason why I was only discussing Tesla and not trying to deflect their issues by talking about a brand that is not the threads topic.


Yes. You should do that. You did after all start comparing Tesla quality to others sooooo.

Again. All JMHO.


Why? I am not the one deflecting the issues to GM or Chrylser in a thread about Tesla. You are.

I am only discussing Tesla which is what this thread's topic is about.

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ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Reisender wrote:


Yah. Justify it anyway you feel warm and fuzzy with it. Still a leech on the taxpayers dime.


Yes, and if you want to discuss it then start a thread about it. This one is about Tesla hence the reason why I was only discussing Tesla and not trying to deflect their issues by talking about a brand that is not the threads topic.


Yes. You should do that. You did after all start comparing Tesla quality to others sooooo.

Again. All JMHO.


Why? I am not the one deflecting the issues to GM or Chrylser in a thread about Tesla. You are.

I am only discussing Tesla which is what this thread's topic is about.


Your deflecting again. [emoticon].

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