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VernDiesel

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Posted: 06/17/19 10:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Wife doesn’t have to fuel over at the big truck islands. You or her can fuel with the autos only on the end pump commonly and only every 600 miles instead of 400 miles. Lots of Wyomins due to landscape put on more than 15k annually with someplaces taking 90 miles between fuel stations. But I agree with the 15k being one useable guideline.

Not everybody is a hot rodder like you Shiner. If it’s easily fast enough for DW she might care more about the fuel economy. Extra horsepower only means something if she feels the need. Both have plenty of pulling power for his trailer in fact the Pentastar would with the 3.55. Have her drive all three see what she likes the most.


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Posted: 06/17/19 10:43am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If I were towing I would go with the Hemi. The EcoDiesel is not economical towing and uses more expensive fuel.


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1320Fastback wrote:

If I were towing I would go with the Hemi. The EcoDiesel is not economical towing and uses more expensive fuel.


That’s where the diesel really has the advantage in fuel economy is when towing. I’m guessing you will see a 50% gain in fuel economy over the Hemi with a trailer behind.

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Also wonder why the Ecodiesel would be "not economical" while towing?

If anything, towing (high duty cycle) is where diesels shine, due to their much leaner air/fuel ratio under load. Cruising at 65 mph, my Hemi is within 20% of an ED. But towing 9000 lbs, I bet the diesel is 50% more efficient.

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Posted: 06/17/19 12:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

VernDiesel wrote:


Not everybody is a hot rodder like you Shiner. If it’s easily fast enough for DW she might care more about the fuel economy. Extra horsepower only means something if she feels the need. Both have plenty of pulling power for his trailer in fact the Pentastar would with the 3.55. Have her drive all three see what she likes the most.


Apparently most are like me since the more powerful/less fuel efficient engine option outsells the base or less powerful/more fuel efficient option by a considerable margin in just about every half ton truck brand. Doing the math, the average US driver who drives 15k miles or less a year will not save that much a year for it to be worth going from a fun to drive and more capably 395hp truck to a less fun to drive and less capable 240 hp truck.

Someone would probably save more money bringing a $3.50 sac lunch one or a few days a week (versus $10 going out to eat) than you would with an Ecodiesel over a Hemi. I would rather take the 395 hp and find other ways to save money if that was a concern.

I am not saying this because I prefer gassers over diesels either. Both my truck and car are diesels. Heck, even with me driving 21k a year (just for work), my diesel car that gets 43 mpg combined only saves me about $700 a year in fuel versus the gas version of my car that averages 26 mpg combined with current prices. It would be less than $490 if I only drove 15k a year.

This is why I said the OP should do the math and see if loosing 155 hp is worth the small amount of money saved.

* This post was edited 06/17/19 01:29pm by ShinerBock *

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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

No issues with my Ecodiesel and as far as fuel economy my Eco makes 30 MPG all day at 65 mph the best my brother can make in his Hemi is 22 at 55 mph! Mine is a 2015 with 3.92 gears and his is a 2016 with 3.55 gears. I tow a 6800# boat at 70 mph without any issues whatsoever.

BTW pay no attention to the blue troll, the so called scandal affected 2014 to 2016 Ecodiesels not the 2017 and 2018 trucks. I like mine so much I might get a 2021 best in class towing, torque and fuel mileage for the 2020 Ecodiesel coming out in the fourth quarter of this year.

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Just to provide full disclosure Capt Don has a aftermarket GDE tune. That in itself says something.

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The Ecodiesel scandal affected 2014-2016 Ram EcoDiesels, but production didn't resume until some time MY2017.

As I specifically said I didn't know exactly what MY trucks were sitting on lots and couldn't be sold due to the scandal so the OP should consider this.

Link

* This post was edited 06/17/19 05:07pm by FishOnOne *


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Posted: 06/18/19 05:32pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Lotsa good feedback and food for thought! Thx All!

Response to an earlier post: No problems with diesel pumps. Our local, usual, fuel stop has clean nozzles at all pumps, no trucks. We’re over 4000 miles into our summer road trip. Some truck fuel stops are very nice and clean with DEF at the pumps. Some are trash dumps. Sadly Flying J and Pilot are among the worst we’ve seen. Surprised when I couldn’t get my credit cards to work on truck diesel pumps at Indiana toll road I-80 plazas. Was told that if I didn’t have a fleet commercial card I would have to go to the front pumps. Took some maneuvering to get there but got fuel. Lesson learned.

Wife is a Wyoming truck lady, no problems pumping diesel [emoticon]

Here’s a response I got on another forum. ID edited:

“...I own and tow a 6000# trailer with a 2017 Eco Diesel and I couldn't be happier. Just got back from a trip to Colorado and averaged 16.1 mpg. Went up Raton Pass, 7300', at 55-60 mph and never got above 2500 rpm. Not towing I get 27 mpg city and 32 mpg highway. There were some problems with the 2014-2016 models and FCA is settling those through a lawsuit and extended factory warranty. FCA didn't issue any 2019's as they were working on the problems which they claim are all fixed for the 2020 model year. My 2017 has been flawless. I have the Tradesman model 2WD quad cab and the cargo capacity is near 1700#. The more options you add the lower the cargo capacity. Here in Phoenix diesel runs about 3%-4% more than gas but my mileage is more than 60% better than my 2012 Silverado w/5.3 gasser. You can see all of the pros and cons at ram1500diesel.com forum. Take a test drive and see/feel the difference for yourself...”


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Posted: 06/18/19 05:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

womps wrote:

1320Fastback wrote:

If I were towing I would go with the Hemi. The EcoDiesel is not economical towing and uses more expensive fuel.


That’s where the diesel really has the advantage in fuel economy is when towing. I’m guessing you will see a 50% gain in fuel economy over the Hemi with a trailer behind.


My Humble Experience...

Full up towed camper, ATV in the bed of a 1999 Dodge 2500HD 5.7 l gas. 6 MPG. At best, running max 60 mph when able, usually much slower uphill. Up, down hill, avg.

Today, camped in the rain, Nebraska City, 4000 + miles into the summer road trip. Ram 2500HD Cummins towing about 7000#, 70 mph. Lie-O-Meter, confirmed with actual calculations, 10.7 mpg. No question the diesel is better for towing.

JMHO.

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richclover wrote:

womps wrote:

1320Fastback wrote:

If I were towing I would go with the Hemi. The EcoDiesel is not economical towing and uses more expensive fuel.


That’s where the diesel really has the advantage in fuel economy is when towing. I’m guessing you will see a 50% gain in fuel economy over the Hemi with a trailer behind.


My Humble Experience...

Full up towed camper, ATV in the bed of a 1999 Dodge 2500HD 5.7 l gas. 6 MPG. At best, running max 60 mph when able, usually much slower uphill. Up, down hill, avg.

Today, camped in the rain, Nebraska City, 4000 + miles into the summer road trip. Ram 2500HD Cummins towing about 7000#, 70 mph. Lie-O-Meter, confirmed with actual calculations, 10.7 mpg. No question the diesel is better for towing.

JMHO.

You must have a typo there - the 5.7L Hemi came out in 2002. Maybe you had a 360 gas (5.9L)? I had one....4-7 mpg pulling 9k 33' bumper pull RV. She was tough, but thirsty. I abused the he!! out of that thing pulling that load (flat on the floor up grades at 30 mph in the heat for several minutes) and never had an issue, but powerful she was not.

And yes, diesel is better for towing, but which truck you should buy depends on how much you tow, and how much it gets used as a family car.


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14 Ram 2500 4x4 Crew 6.4L Hemi 4.10
06 Chevy 1500 4x4 E-Cab 3.73 5.3L
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As a Chrysler tech, get the Hemi! Too many issues that make owning one not a good experience.


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