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Turtle n Peeps

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So many people act like the battery and battery charging technology we now have will never get any better, when in fact it improves all the time.


Really? The super high tech battery in my 2 YO phone can't even run all day long.


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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

drsteve wrote:

So many people act like the battery and battery charging technology we now have will never get any better, when in fact it improves all the time.
Really? The super high tech battery in my 2 YO phone can't even run all day long.
Neither does my truck. What is the point?

Or compare your phone to something to 10 years ago and it may have a bit of improvement.


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free radical wrote:

F... without stinking up the air ...



If I did not have 2 coal burning electricity power plants out my back doorwall, and watch the coal be unloaded from 1000 ft ships, and then pushed by diesel dozers, I might believe your statement.

For now, it is just a trade off.


And, we're not even counting the mining, processing, and manufacturing of the batteries. Some of the most environment devastation is done in the 3rd world which most of us don't see.

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RoyJ wrote:

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

free radical wrote:

F... without stinking up the air ...



If I did not have 2 coal burning electricity power plants out my back doorwall, and watch the coal be unloaded from 1000 ft ships, and then pushed by diesel dozers, I might believe your statement.

For now, it is just a trade off.


And, we're not even counting the mining, processing, and manufacturing of the batteries. Some of the most environment devastation is done in the 3rd world which most of us don't see.


Agreed. But that happens with oil and gas too. The difference is an electric car doesn’t burn Alumibum Lithium or Nickel. The first and second life of an EV battery is 20 to 30 years. Then it is recycled. Oil is burned once and it’s gone. Lots of info on the comparative life cycles. The science has been done and can be readily found. One can simply deny the conclusions and the science behind it but at that point it’s no sense in arguing it anymore.

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Not to be horribly argumentative, but if the fist and second life of an EV batter is 20 to 30 years, we've not had time to see the recycling part. So that part seems to be based on speculation.


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fj12ryder wrote:

Not to be horribly argumentative, but if the fist and second life of an EV batter is 20 to 30 years, we've not had time to see the recycling part. So that part seems to be based on speculation.
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I agree. The second life industry is developing faster than the recycling industry although as you say there isn’t a lot of used EV batteries to process yet. I suspect there will be a whole secondsry industry and technology developed around EV batteries.

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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

drsteve wrote:

So many people act like the battery and battery charging technology we now have will never get any better, when in fact it improves all the time.
Really? The super high tech battery in my 2 YO phone can't even run all day long.
Neither does my truck. What is the point?

Or compare your phone to something to 10 years ago and it may have a bit of improvement.


My point is simple and easy to follow.

Drsteve wrote:

So many people act like the battery and battery charging technology we now have will never get any better, when in fact it improves all the time


The LI battery is almost 30 years old. Let that sink in. The LI battery is THE most CURRENT battery technology we have. It is the BEST we have right now. The very best. Nothing better has came along in almost 30 years! Almost 30 years! Where is all this improvement Time?

Now think about that. It is the best we have and it's VERY expensive and it has only 10% of the power compared to gasoline. 10%!!!

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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

The LI battery is almost 30 years old. Let that sink in. The LI battery is THE most CURRENT battery technology we have. It is the BEST we have right now. The very best. Nothing better has came along in almost 30 years! Almost 30 years! Where is all this improvement Time?
You say Li-Ion is unchanged in 30 years?

Read some wiki.

And my F150 still will not run all day one one fill up. Apparently there have been no improvements in 50+ years of Ford building a pick-up. [emoticon]

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time2roll wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

The LI battery is almost 30 years old. Let that sink in. The LI battery is THE most CURRENT battery technology we have. It is the BEST we have right now. The very best. Nothing better has came along in almost 30 years! Almost 30 years! Where is all this improvement Time?
You say Li-Ion is unchanged in 30 years?

Read some wiki.

And my F150 still will not run all day one one fill up. Apparently there have been no improvements in 50+ years of Ford building a pick-up. [emoticon]


In 2010 the Nissan Leaf came out with 120 km of range. 9 years later the Nissan Leaf with the same dimensions now has 380 km of range....and it’s cheaper...and faster...and quieter...and much better acceleration. Yep. No improvement at all. Lol.

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