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Posted: 07/05/19 10:22am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You have to remember that a Sequoia has 3 rows of seating. Switching to a crew cab pickup means giving up a LOT of space, and spending all your travel time with one kid crammed in between you two up front, and three kids shoulder to shoulder in the rear. "Mooooooooom! He's touchingggggg meeeeeeeee!"

Maybe you have unusually well-behaved, patient kids. If so, count yourself lucky.


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If it's a newer sequoia, the limiting factor is the class 2 payload, which won't get any better with a new burb or expedition.
I'll be the antagonist here and say that you can safely tow a lighter trailer. Pretty much any popup due to low profile, or a sub 5klb TT is doable.
I'll explain why in a PM, but not ad nausem to the masses of weight cops here.

You are mostly correct in how you're looking at it, but not entirely, IMO.


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Thanks again for all the advice! We are going to look at some of the nicer popups and see if one of them might meet our needs.

I appreciate all of your perspectives!

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One last comment, many owners' manuals are also specifying "maximum frontal area" of the trailer, which in effect rules out hard sided RV trailers and limits towing to low-profile trailers like pop-ups and utility models. The reason being that the wind resistance of a high profile trailer adds as much load to the drivetrain as the weight of the trailer.


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BurbMan wrote:

One last comment, many owners' manuals are also specifying "maximum frontal area" of the trailer, which in effect rules out hard sided RV trailers and limits towing to low-profile trailers like pop-ups and utility models. The reason being that the wind resistance of a high profile trailer adds as much load to the drivetrain as the weight of the trailer.


This totally puzzles me. I look at Sequoia as a more powerful 8-cyl upgrade to a 4runner.

And yet my 4runner can tow 5,000lbs travel trailer easily -- and have overtaken a few heftier Chevies (of course with bigger trailers) on uphill climb on the I-80, I-101, I-5, 395...

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An additional 3 swag ft of frontal area has as much drag as 1000 lbs of additional weight. If you were to add a foot of trailer height, about 8 square ft, that is equal to adding 3000 lbs of lead to trailer, or 3 HP at 60 mph for each.

So yes, wind drag does and should be taken in for account.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

BurbMan wrote:

One last comment, many owners' manuals are also specifying "maximum frontal area" of the trailer, which in effect rules out hard sided RV trailers and limits towing to low-profile trailers like pop-ups and utility models. The reason being that the wind resistance of a high profile trailer adds as much load to the drivetrain as the weight of the trailer.


This totally puzzles me. I look at Sequoia as a more powerful 8-cyl upgrade to a 4runner.

And yet my 4runner can tow 5,000lbs travel trailer easily -- and have overtaken a few heftier Chevies (of course with bigger trailers) on uphill climb on the I-80, I-101, I-5, 395...


Sam - which 4runner do you have? The older 8-cylinder? If so you may be OK. But if you have a more recent 6-cylinder, what are you doing about hitch weight? That 5000lbs trailer should have a hitch weight of 500 to 700 lbs. That would exceed the capacity of the 4runner's hitch unless you're using weight distribution. Unfortunately, the 4runner's frame isn't recommended for weight distribution. So what's your situation?

I went through all of that stuff a few years ago. Was shocked and terribly disappointed to learn that I was exceeding specs on my 4runner. Had to trade it out for a better tow vehicle. Toyota is horrible about towing and payload. They just don't "get it." And I had been a Toyota loyalist for over 30 years!

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Sam - which 4runner do you have? The older 8-cylinder? If so you may be OK. But if you have a more recent 6-cylinder, what are you doing about hitch weight? That 5000lbs trailer should have a hitch weight of 500 to 700 lbs. That would exceed the capacity of the 4runner's hitch unless you're using weight distribution. Unfortunately, the 4runner's frame isn't recommended for weight distribution. So what's your situation?

I went through all of that stuff a few years ago. Was shocked and terribly disappointed to learn that I was exceeding specs on my 4runner. Had to trade it out for a better tow vehicle. Toyota is horrible about towing and payload. They just don't "get it." And I had been a Toyota loyalist for over 30 years!

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It's the 6cyl 4runner. This is my 3rd 4runner and had a mechanical engineer friend who worked for Toyota.

My initial question to him was why my older one was rated at 7,000 lbs with the same 6 cyl engine. He said it was for bigger safety allowance for the litigious US customers.

He also assured me that my 4runner has welded cross member on chassis meant for towing (I did look underneath).

I have a weight distribution rated for 1,200 lbs. but have driven not quite a few miles without it. It's an afterthought looking at how that 5,000 lbs trailer is sitting on that single 2 5/8' ball. I admit it added some stability or confidence -- which might actually be psychological.

I have encountered most of the adverse driving conditions I can imagine and I don't want to add anymore into my worry.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

SpeakEasy wrote:


Sam - which 4runner do you have? The older 8-cylinder? If so you may be OK. But if you have a more recent 6-cylinder, what are you doing about hitch weight? That 5000lbs trailer should have a hitch weight of 500 to 700 lbs. That would exceed the capacity of the 4runner's hitch unless you're using weight distribution. Unfortunately, the 4runner's frame isn't recommended for weight distribution. So what's your situation?

I went through all of that stuff a few years ago. Was shocked and terribly disappointed to learn that I was exceeding specs on my 4runner. Had to trade it out for a better tow vehicle. Toyota is horrible about towing and payload. They just don't "get it." And I had been a Toyota loyalist for over 30 years!

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I have encountered most of the adverse driving conditions I can imagine and I don't want to add anymore into my worry.


I hear you. I didn't need to add to my worries either, and I really wanted to keep that 4Runner. It towed like a dream. However, when I was faced with the fact that the manufacturer would not endorse use of a WDH, I had to deal with it. I contacted Toyota directly, and they told me directly that use of the WDH was not recommended. It has to do with the way the receiver is attached to the frame. There are mere bolts to make that attachment, and the rotational torque applied by the WDH was not appropriate for that attachment point. Se la vie.

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SpeakEasy wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

SpeakEasy wrote:


Sam - which 4runner do you have? The older 8-cylinder? If so you may be OK. But if you have a more recent 6-cylinder, what are you doing about hitch weight? That 5000lbs trailer should have a hitch weight of 500 to 700 lbs. That would exceed the capacity of the 4runner's hitch unless you're using weight distribution. Unfortunately, the 4runner's frame isn't recommended for weight distribution. So what's your situation?

I went through all of that stuff a few years ago. Was shocked and terribly disappointed to learn that I was exceeding specs on my 4runner. Had to trade it out for a better tow vehicle. Toyota is horrible about towing and payload. They just don't "get it." And I had been a Toyota loyalist for over 30 years!

-Speak


I have encountered most of the adverse driving conditions I can imagine and I don't want to add anymore into my worry.


I hear you. I didn't need to add to my worries either, and I really wanted to keep that 4Runner. It towed like a dream. However, when I was faced with the fact that the manufacturer would not endorse use of a WDH, I had to deal with it. I contacted Toyota directly, and they told me directly that use of the WDH was not recommended. It has to do with the way the receiver is attached to the frame. There are mere bolts to make that attachment, and the rotational torque applied by the WDH was not appropriate for that attachment point. Se la vie.

-Speak


Thanks and I appreciate the info.

Time for me to check my own understanding (lol).

I might mis-understood "not necessary" with "not recommended" (i.e., harmful and dangerous).

Yes indeed, the 4runner tows like a dream -- an author/RVer in fact wrote about it entitled "The Little Machine Than Can" (or something).

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