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byronlj

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Posted: 07/10/19 10:57pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Check with the Arizona DMV. Both will be registered as commercial. On my 3500 I had to declare the max weight I would have and the fees are derived from that.

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I was recently shopping for a new DRW and the only ones it came down to, after test driving all the available trucks on the local lots, were the 2019 Ram 3500 Longhorn or Limited with the AISIN, and the 2020 Chevrolet High Country/ GMC Sierra Denali, which were not available yet. I'd be curious to know why you ruled out the Ram 3500 - the 2019 is light years ahead of the 2018, and you might want to give it another look if you were basing your decision on last year's model.

I decided I'd rather risk the new CGI block and another CP4 pump (I came from a CP3 converted LML) than a new GM-designed, Allison in name only, 10 speed HD transmission in the first year of production. And that worked out, because I could buy the Ram now, where I'd have to wait for the Chevrolet/GMC.

I don't see a reason to move to a 4500 for RV duty with modern 3500 capabilities.


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4x4ord wrote:

For towing an rv I would put next to zero value on the pros you listed for the 4500. I'd get the 3500 without question.


Everyone has different motivations and needs and as I said, I also would go with the HD, but clearly he is exploring some value beyond the HD otherwise he would not have mentioned it. There were a lot of GM 45 an 5500s pulling RV's and horse trailers in mid to late 2000's I would guess about 25%, the rest were commercial use. Being 90 miles from W. Yellowstone, I see a lot tow rigs. Maybe some of that was just to get more capacity over the GMT 900 trucks, but clearly it was more than just that.


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byronlj wrote:

Check with the Arizona DMV. Both will be registered as commercial. On my 3500 I had to declare the max weight I would have and the fees are derived from that.

Dave
Hmmm. I am presently on my second 3500 DRW.
A 2001, and a 2011. They are tagged and insured pretty much like my other vehicles. Not commercial.
There is a small charge for the GVW on the duallys, but that is it.



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ksss wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

For towing an rv I would put next to zero value on the pros you listed for the 4500. I'd get the 3500 without question.


Everyone has different motivations and needs and as I said, I also would go with the HD, but clearly he is exploring some value beyond the HD otherwise he would not have mentioned it. There were a lot of GM 45 an 5500s pulling RV's and horse trailers in mid to late 2000's I would guess about 25%, the rest were commercial use. Being 90 miles from W. Yellowstone, I see a lot tow rigs. Maybe some of that was just to get more capacity over the GMT 900 trucks, but clearly it was more than just that.


Maybe, but modern trucks are a lot more capable and comfortable than they were even just ten years ago. Whatever was driving that move may not be a factor today.

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What kind of toy haulers offer that kind of GVWR? All the three axle ones I've seen are 18k, and around 13-14k empty.

I would definitely go for the 4500, or some other medium duty for that kind of weight. The all steel tires alone would be a huge benefit, and the much larger rear axle will support the weight better than what comes in a 1 ton truck. A trailer that heavy is going to get into a zone with the pin weight that may make a regular 1 ton DRW balk (not to mention the potential legal issues).

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Ditto 4x4ord.

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twodownzero wrote:

What kind of toy haulers offer that kind of GVWR? All the three axle ones I've seen are 18k, and around 13-14k empty.

I would definitely go for the 4500, or some other medium duty for that kind of weight. The all steel tires alone would be a huge benefit, and the much larger rear axle will support the weight better than what comes in a 1 ton truck. A trailer that heavy is going to get into a zone with the pin weight that may make a regular 1 ton DRW balk (not to mention the potential legal issues).


24K @ 20% pin 4800lbs. A mid-trim, current generation 1T DRW has a payload of 5500+ (up to 7680 in 2019 RAM, 7442 on 2020 GM with more basic trims) and GCWR north of 40K. There shouldn't be any legal issues there. Maybe you're on to something with the axles, but the current Ram and GM offerings can be optioned with 12" axles with 4.25" tubes which are far larger than the axles just a couple generations ago. It wouldn't be a terrible decision to go with a 4500, but it isn't a necessary one, and your talking points sound like they are formed based on an older generation of trucks.

I might be with you on the steel tires though, if bumping above 5K payload - you can always put 19.5s or 22.5s on a DRW.

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Not sure what your wallet will handle, but have you by chance looked into a Frieghtliner Business Class truck (new or used)? Can get w/ air ride susp and seats and possibly cab too. Don't think you'd ever have to worry about weights. Larger brakes, tires, frame and all. Will agree with others tho that service on the road for MD trucks can be difficult and $$$$. I am impressed with the weight capacity increase in the GM line for '20. My problem with any of the big 3 is strapping a whopping huge weight trailer on, grossing 30-35k and either not having the experience towing those kinds of weights AND stopping it. Sure they all say they can tow it, but stopping can be another thing. In the long run, if you still want to stick w/ the GM line and see yourself towing a lot in the future, I'd opt for the 4500 only cuz of bigger brakes and frame. I don't see how the frame of the 4500 is less beefy than the 3500. Air ride can probly be done on the 4500. Tho I said opt for the 4500, service on the road could be an issue, but for pure weight and safety towing heavy, for me the 4500 would win out.

Also, IMO too, GM's 45 & 5500 trucks are really rebadged IH trucks w/ bowtie on the grill. IH made CAT trucks which were nothing more than IH's w/ CAT logos and different trim/colors/dash layout. Marriage lasted just a couple of years.


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Posted: 07/11/19 08:52am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I would hold off on buying the first model year of any product, so if you are set on a GM 4500 can you wait one more year?

My Ram 5500 had a rough ride until I had over 3 tons of payload on the rear. 2 tons made it tolerable, but empty is a rough ride on anything but smooth roads.

I pay for desired GVWR in my state and have commercial insurance written for private use through Progressive. Any GVWR at 14k lbs or more is considered commercial plates in my state, but I pay about $200/year for an 18k lb registration. I went from a 2005 F250 to a 2015 5500 and State Farm wanted about 50 percent more for the same insurance coverage. Moving to Progressive, I pay about $1000/year.


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