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I’m telling y’all what to do before spending a bunch of money. Been there dun that! I gots sperience.


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Well I now too have "sperience". My experience is that even with Bilstein HD shock, airbags in truck suspension and proper correct air pressure the experience of towing with severe chucking and bone rattling jolt's can be made markedly better with a reasonable investment.
After installing a Mor-Ryde Pin box and an upgraded Demco coupler onto my old Hijacker hitch I had my first tow today back over the same roads I just drove a week ago before the upgrades.
I could immediately notice a vast improvement as I pulled out of the driveway onto the gravel road and got onto the freeway.
The pinbox created a cushioned isolation affect between the truck and trailer.
I could not longer feel the secondary sharp jolt's of the trailer going over the expansion joint's and potholes in the roads. The sharp jolt's and chucking are now very muted and has a cushioned or isolated feel.
The concrete road we were on I know very well and this is the first trip over it in many years when I did not become uptight and tense, dreading every mile and every broken section of patched concrete. While it was not perfect it was more than bearable.
My wife said this road always caused my Tourette's syndrome to burst forth with very jolt and bone jarring rattle. But today there was none of that at all.
My wife commented that for the first time in a long time she did not have a sore neck from all the chucking and jolt's.
I chose not to install a air hitch since I had the supplemental airbag's on the suspension and found I could upgrade my old hitches coupler.
While the old coupler was very secure it was very sloppy around the pin being the old style with simply a large bar of steel going across holding the pin into a "U shaped" steel plate. The replacement coupler encloses the pin fully encompassing it tightly all the way around.
At this point I do not feel that an additional $2900 investment is needed.


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I'm on my 5th season with our BD3 and have been thoroughly pleased with it. I also had some chucking issues but changed trucks and bought the BD3 at the same time. I'll never know if it was more the truck or the hitch but still glad I have the hitch.


Please tell what the last hitch was.


Missed this. My previous hitch was a B&W Companion.


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No brand of rigid/stationary hitch is comparable to an air ride hitch. Often, members brag about their brand of rigid hitch. However, while great quality with robust jaws, etc., an is ride hitch is going to ride differently.


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pcm1959 wrote:

No brand of rigid/stationary hitch is comparable to an air ride hitch. Often, members brag about their brand of rigid hitch. However, while great quality with robust jaws, etc., an is ride hitch is going to ride differently.

Yes agreed but $230 for the upgraded coupler versus $2900 for a Trailersaver made me pause and decide to see how much improvement could be had without the additional expense of the air hitch and the effort of changing fifthwheel hitch rails to accommodate the air ride hitch in my old truck.
If you do not have airbag's in your suspension you will not have the experience of the improvement in ride quality that simply modification makes even with a rigid hitch. And no it's got nothing to do with increasing any weight rating.
If I am still towing heavy when I finally decide to retire my old truck for a new beast then I will certainly be installing an air ride hitch.

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gitane59 wrote:

pcm1959 wrote:

No brand of rigid/stationary hitch is comparable to an air ride hitch. Often, members brag about their brand of rigid hitch. However, while great quality with robust jaws, etc., an is ride hitch is going to ride differently.

Yes agreed but $230 for the upgraded coupler versus $2900 for a Trailersaver made me pause and decide to see how much improvement could be had without the additional expense of the air hitch and the effort of changing fifthwheel hitch rails to accommodate the air ride hitch in my old truck.
If you do not have airbag's in your suspension you will not have the experience of the improvement in ride quality that simply modification makes even with a rigid hitch. And no it's got nothing to do with increasing any weight rating.
If I am still towing heavy when I finally decide to retire my old truck for a new beast then I will certainly be installing an air ride hitch.



Anyone that has towed with aftermarket air bags with onboard air, may agree or disagree here. I have on several occasions changed the ride from jolting as some describe to smoothing things out by changing the the air pressure .

Three different fifth wheels , two different trucks ,both short bed 1 tons. Biggest difference I saw was the MORryde pin box on this last one I tow now. No chucking plus the ability to adjust air pressure gives us a pretty good ride.

Talking to a reputable RV repair shop here locally, been in business as long as I can remember , aside from IS suspension, he felt the old LRE MORryde suspension was as good as they got. That along with the MORryde pin box is about as good as it gets , again I would suppose aside from all the expensive pin boxes ,and air ride hitches. Personally I couldn't ask for a better ride then what I got with this combination, along with aftermarket air bags .

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JTrac wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

JTrac wrote:

I'm on my 5th season with our BD3 and have been thoroughly pleased with it. I also had some chucking issues but changed trucks and bought the BD3 at the same time. I'll never know if it was more the truck or the hitch but still glad I have the hitch.


Please tell what the last hitch was.


Missed this. My previous hitch was a B&W Companion.


Thanks!

Simply no way the Companion caused chucking. If you had said CURT that is for sure a possibility as there head pivot point is several inches the kingpin connection.

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pcm1959 wrote:

No brand of rigid/stationary hitch is comparable to an air ride hitch. Often, members brag about their brand of rigid hitch. However, while great quality with robust jaws, etc., an is ride hitch is going to ride differently.


Honestly don't think an air bag hitch would make much if any difference for me as I have an air bag pin box. To be honest I think the trucks rear tire air pressure and rear suspension does more than anything else.

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pcm1959 wrote:

No brand of rigid/stationary hitch is comparable to an air ride hitch. Often, members brag about their brand of rigid hitch. However, while great quality with robust jaws, etc., an is ride hitch is going to ride differently.


Honestly don't think an air bag hitch would make much if any difference for me as I have an air bag pin box. To be honest I think the trucks rear tire air pressure and rear suspension does more than anything else.


And just think, what a difference if you could adjust air pressure .

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