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What do you have on your wrangler that makes it weigh so much. I have a 2 door JL myself.


Steel bumpers front and back, winch, steel armor under, beefier drag link, tie rod, track bars, control arms, 8-lug wheels and slightly larger tires (full float axles with locking hubs up front), roof rack, etc... This weight also includes the tow bar.


Well, OK You have loaded it right up. But I bet it is fun to drive off road. Lots of protection.


Yep. It's great fun. Mostly used when hunting and fishing in the Sierras. It's a great combination...the small Mercedes based RV at camp with the Wrangler to get further remote as possible.


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Curb weight is significantly less than 11,030.
The 11,030 number is the GVWR, not the curb weight. The sum of the curb weight, passengers, water, fuel, and any supplies is supposed to be under 11,030. Over 10 years of comparing notes with other Sprinter class C owners, I've not found a single one who has weighed their rig loaded for camping, and not being at least a couple hundred pounds over GVWR.


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Curb weight is significantly less than 11,030.
The 11,030 number is the GVWR, not the curb weight. The sum of the curb weight, passengers, water, fuel, and any supplies is supposed to be under 11,030. Over 10 years of comparing notes with other Sprinter class C owners, I've not found a single one who has weighed their rig loaded for camping, and not being at least a couple hundred pounds over GVWR.


You are correct (others on this forum who like to give advice are clueless on the concept). 11,030 is the GVWR...as defined by Mercedes for their Sprinter 3500 extended chassis. RV manufactures purchase these chassis and need to build their coaches on the chassis staying below that weight rating enough that passengers and cargo are below 11,030.

I've removed some items that are not important to me to further reduce the curb weight. My loaded camping weight is indeed below 11,030.

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Curb weight is significantly less than 11,030.
The 11,030 number is the GVWR, not the curb weight. The sum of the curb weight, passengers, water, fuel, and any supplies is supposed to be under 11,030. Over 10 years of comparing notes with other Sprinter class C owners, I've not found a single one who has weighed their rig loaded for camping, and not being at least a couple hundred pounds over GVWR.


You are correct (others on this forum who like to give advice are clueless on the concept). 11,030 is the GVWR...as defined by Mercedes for their Sprinter 3500 extended chassis. RV manufactures purchase these chassis and need to build their coaches on the chassis staying below that weight rating enough that passengers and cargo are below 11,030.

I've removed some items that are not important to me to further reduce the curb weight. My loaded camping weight is indeed below 11,030.


How much lower? and even at 11,000 with a 5k toad you are still over the 4,200. You'd have to be at almost 10,000. I am betting you aren't. That's the real question isn't it? Ignore curb weight for a second, your weight loaded for travel with all your gear, food, water and people, plus your 5k toad needs to be under your GCWR. I am willing to bet it isn't. Actually I don't need to - you said it yourself. The OP asked if his toad would push him over, the answer is yes. But the OP never came back to the thread so it's all wasted typing.

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way2roll wrote:

dbertheau wrote:

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Curb weight is significantly less than 11,030.
The 11,030 number is the GVWR, not the curb weight. The sum of the curb weight, passengers, water, fuel, and any supplies is supposed to be under 11,030. Over 10 years of comparing notes with other Sprinter class C owners, I've not found a single one who has weighed their rig loaded for camping, and not being at least a couple hundred pounds over GVWR.


You are correct (others on this forum who like to give advice are clueless on the concept). 11,030 is the GVWR...as defined by Mercedes for their Sprinter 3500 extended chassis. RV manufactures purchase these chassis and need to build their coaches on the chassis staying below that weight rating enough that passengers and cargo are below 11,030.

I've removed some items that are not important to me to further reduce the curb weight. My loaded camping weight is indeed below 11,030.


How much lower? and even at 11,000 with a 5k toad you are still over the 4,200. You'd have to be at almost 10,000. I am betting you aren't.


Sir, you don't know me, you know nothing about Sprinters or you would not make statements that Mercedes under built their brake systems and under built their frames. You state GVWR as actual weight of the vehicle and advice folks that they should know facts.

Please don't comment on my posts anymore.

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dbertheau wrote:

way2roll wrote:

dbertheau wrote:

road-runner wrote:

dbertheau wrote:


Curb weight is significantly less than 11,030.
The 11,030 number is the GVWR, not the curb weight. The sum of the curb weight, passengers, water, fuel, and any supplies is supposed to be under 11,030. Over 10 years of comparing notes with other Sprinter class C owners, I've not found a single one who has weighed their rig loaded for camping, and not being at least a couple hundred pounds over GVWR.


You are correct (others on this forum who like to give advice are clueless on the concept). 11,030 is the GVWR...as defined by Mercedes for their Sprinter 3500 extended chassis. RV manufactures purchase these chassis and need to build their coaches on the chassis staying below that weight rating enough that passengers and cargo are below 11,030.

I've removed some items that are not important to me to further reduce the curb weight. My loaded camping weight is indeed below 11,030.


How much lower? and even at 11,000 with a 5k toad you are still over the 4,200. You'd have to be at almost 10,000. I am betting you aren't.


Sir, you don't know me, you know nothing about Sprinters or you would not make statements that Mercedes under built their brake systems and under built their frames. You state GVWR as actual weight of the vehicle and advice folks that they should know facts.

Please don't comment on my posts anymore.


it's simple, numbers are numbers, you are over or you aren't. You are over. Simple.

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way2roll wrote:

dbertheau wrote:

way2roll wrote:

dbertheau wrote:

road-runner wrote:

dbertheau wrote:


Curb weight is significantly less than 11,030.
The 11,030 number is the GVWR, not the curb weight. The sum of the curb weight, passengers, water, fuel, and any supplies is supposed to be under 11,030. Over 10 years of comparing notes with other Sprinter class C owners, I've not found a single one who has weighed their rig loaded for camping, and not being at least a couple hundred pounds over GVWR.


You are correct (others on this forum who like to give advice are clueless on the concept). 11,030 is the GVWR...as defined by Mercedes for their Sprinter 3500 extended chassis. RV manufactures purchase these chassis and need to build their coaches on the chassis staying below that weight rating enough that passengers and cargo are below 11,030.

I've removed some items that are not important to me to further reduce the curb weight. My loaded camping weight is indeed below 11,030.


How much lower? and even at 11,000 with a 5k toad you are still over the 4,200. You'd have to be at almost 10,000. I am betting you aren't.


Sir, you don't know me, you know nothing about Sprinters or you would not make statements that Mercedes under built their brake systems and under built their frames. You state GVWR as actual weight of the vehicle and advice folks that they should know facts.

Please don't comment on my posts anymore.


it's simple, numbers are numbers, you are over or you aren't. You are over. Simple.


I'm under on FGAWR
I'm under on RGAWR
I'm Under on GVWR of 11,030 -10,525
I'm Under on tow rating of 5,000 -4,975

I'm over on GCVWR of 15,250 by 250 pounds

This is what I've stated since my first post.

You don't know me and you don't know my rig.

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"I'm over on GCVWR of 15,250 by 250 pounds"

This - is the only relevant piece of information. The rest is noise.

I feel like you are taking this a bit personal and knowing you or the type of person you are has absolutely no bearing on the mechanical constraints of your RV. I never once said the MB sprinter brakes are under built, or the chassis etc, I was pretty factual. Heck I like the sprinters, I have 2 friends that own them. But, it's built a certain way and engineers arrive at capacity - Period. I think you are trying to justify why it's ok to be over. To each his own and I am sure you do just fine. But just because you feel that way does not make the facts and figures irrelevant.

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