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specta

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Posted: 09/17/19 11:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

RobG wrote:

Your camper looks awesome! You've done a great job cleaning it up.

I'm looking at your weight slip... 8060 on the drive axle. Look at the sidewalls of your new tires and see what the weight rating is. I looked it up on Tire Rack and it's 3415 per tire at 80 psi. That's 6830 lbs for both tires. You're 1200 lbs overweight.

It's one thing to be over your axle weight (I do that every time I load my camper), but I NEVER exceed the tire ratings. I hate to be the one to break the news, but you need a dually or a much smaller/lighter camper. Your tires are overloaded, and despite being Michelins, will eventually blow out even if you keep them at 80 psi. They aren't meant for that kind of weight.


I've weighed the truck empty and with the camper on the truck dry and loaded with water and everything else.

Minus the trailer and ATV I'm only a few hundred pounds over the rear axle GVW.

Certainly not enough to warrant a dually or a different camper.


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I have a Lance 9'6" TC on my dually and my rear axle weight is 6000 even, loaded and ready for the hills(No trailer)...By the picture you posted,the ATV is mostly in front of the axle on the trailer putting most of the ATV weight on the truck rear axle..

I haven't weighed with the ATV trailer but because of the hitch extension,I am aware of the tongue weight of the trailer when loading.

Might try moving the ATV farther back on the trailer to lighten up the rear axle/tire weight..

Trailers behind a huge TC can really increase the rear axle weight of the truck and pressure on the rear tires...Tongue weight is everything in doing so...

Nice rig..I sure like my older Lance..Trouble free just like the other two Lances I have owned..


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"few hundreds over" sounds like attempt to cover the problem.
Per given sample it can be 20% over tire ratings, before trailer hook up.





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Posted: 09/18/19 08:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Kayteg1 wrote:

"few hundreds over" sounds like attempt to cover the problem.
Per given sample it can be 20% over tire ratings, before trailer hook up.


What problem?

The trailer and its load is included in the rear axle numbers. Not just the tongue weight.

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Posted: 09/18/19 08:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jaycocreek wrote:

.By the picture you posted,the ATV is mostly in front of the axle on the trailer putting most of the ATV weight on the truck rear axle..


I lifted the tongue with my bare hands to hitch it to my truck.

I seriously doubt that I can lift half of what that ATV weighs.

With a full tank of fresh water, both propane tanks filled and no trailer the rear axle weight is 6200 pounds, as per CAT-Scale.

The rear axle is not 1800 lbs over. Like I said, a few hundred pounds.

I've had everything on the scales. I know how much everything weighs.

* This post was edited 09/18/19 08:39pm by specta *

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The little ATV trailer with a quad on it is pretty light... but consider the lever effect of a hitch extension multiplies your otherwise low tongue weight (which I estimate at maybe 300 lbs) to more like 1200. So you're right -- unhook the trailer and you're closer to your proper weight. BUT, that means not towing. I would not want to risk going that far over on my tire ratings; that's one place you don't want to mess around. The last thing you want or need is a blow-out because of it, especially at freeway speeds.

But, it's your stuff... if you want to risk it, that's up to you. BTW if you do have a blowout and it causes an accident, the cops WILL look at that sort of thing.


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RobG wrote:

The little ATV trailer with a quad on it is pretty light... but consider the lever effect of a hitch extension multiplies your otherwise low tongue weight (which I estimate at maybe 300 lbs) to more like 1200. So you're right -- unhook the trailer and you're closer to your proper weight. BUT, that means not towing. I would not want to risk going that far over on my tire ratings; that's one place you don't want to mess around. The last thing you want or need is a blow-out because of it, especially at freeway speeds.

But, it's your stuff... if you want to risk it, that's up to you. BTW if you do have a blowout and it causes an accident, the cops WILL look at that sort of thing.


The moment arm "level effect" as you call it does not increase the weight of the tongue from 300lbs to 1200lbs. The moment arm is the amount of twisting force exerted by the tongue of the trailer to the hitch and transferred to the frame of the truck. This is different than the static load (or dynamic when moving) that the tongue weight will add to the tires themselves. The 300lb tongue weight (likely closer to 150lb if he could lift it by hand) is just 300lbs as far as the rear tires are concerned.


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Posted: 10/09/19 09:10am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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I took a couple of days and went camping. [emoticon]

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This is why I have a camper. To explore different places on my ATV.

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I am very pleased with my new camper. Its perfect for me.
I love the counter top. Well worth the extra couple of feet.
I was surprised at how quiet the furnace is too.

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And I am very pleased with just how well my truck handles everything. [emoticon]

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Nice pics. Fall is really pretty.


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Posted: 10/09/19 04:13pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Oh! Like! Very much!!!

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