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itsjustjer

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I'm looking around at different bunkhouse models to see if there is anything out there that can beat the Keystone Bullet 272BHS on hitch weight.

https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2016-keystone-bullet-travel-trailer-floorplan-272bhs-tr24873

Depending on the year, the 272BHS has a dry weight of about 5,030 to 5,400 and the dry hitch weight is about 10.7% (540lbs - 610lbs).

I have determined the gear that we will always have on the camper weighs 650lbs, but I'm just going to operate under the assumption that we will have 1,000lbs of cargo on board the camper.

We are in the process of buying a Suburban with 1720lbs of payload. Our family and belongings that will be riding in the Suburban weigh in at 900lbs (again, over estimating). This leaves 820lbs for hitch weight if we were to max out the payload capacity of the Suburban, but of course we don't want to do that.

If we purchase the 272BHS and load it to around 6,200lbs, the hitch weight would be around 663lbs (10.7%) on the low side to probably 744lbs (12%) on the higher side depending on how we load it.

First Question:

Does all of this make sense so far? Am I missing anything or overlooking another factor of weight somewhere?

Second Question:

Does anyone know of any bunkhouses that have a layout like the 272BHS that also offer a loaded hitch weight within that range (or lighter?)

Like many SUVs, the payload is our limiting factor; especially with our big family.

As I've been looking around I've kept track of models that had a layout like the 272BHS and I've listed them below just in case it's helpful for anyone else.

All of these listed below have a heavier hitch weight than the 272BHS. I calculated the loaded hitch weight by taking the dry hitch weight and dividing by the dry weight of the camper to get something around 10%-15%. Then I added 1,000lbs to the dry weight of the camper to get my loaded weight. Then I just multiplied the hitch weight percent by my loaded weight.

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plan on 15 percent high side 13 percent low side and use the gvwr. you may well be 500 lbs over dry weight when you pick it up empty. also remember weight of your hitch comes off payload if you didn't include that with your load in the vehicle.


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Dry weight numbers are mostly fictional. It looks like you will be really close to the 'Burb's limits when loaded for camping. Have you considered a heavier duty tow vehicle? One ton passenger vans are very capable. Plenty of room, and cargo capacity to spare.


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What’s magical about 10.7% hitch weight? That’s light. Remember hitch weight plays a significant role in preventing sway. Twelve to thirteen percent is better. Consider a heavier duty TV.

Are you also considering to travel dry? When you see that perfect campsite that is without water...”sorry kids, we need water.” And when you do arrive at a campsite with water it will take four hours minimum to sanitize the fresh water system...”even with city water?” Yup.

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The camper will have 800 lbs of tongue weight when it is all said and done - regardless of what you say in your post - that's just the reality. So you will be at max payload with your suburban (there is nothing wrong with towing at max). End of Story.

For the record, you don't want light hitch weight. Light hitch weight equal "SWAY".

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nickthehunter wrote:

The camper will have 800 lbs of tongue weight when it is all said and done - regardless of what you say in your post - that's just the reality. So you will be at max payload with your suburban (there is nothing wrong with towing at max). End of Story.

For the record, you don't want light hitch weight. Light hitch weight equal "SWAY".


Where does the 800 come from?

Light means sway when the rest of the trailer is heavy and unbalanced. I'm talking light hitch weight + light trailer weight so it is balanced. Not light hitch weight on a heavy trailer where most of the weight is in the rear.

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Jebby14 wrote:

plan on 15 percent high side 13 percent low side and use the gvwr. you may well be 500 lbs over dry weight when you pick it up empty. also remember weight of your hitch comes off payload if you didn't include that with your load in the vehicle.


The 272BHS has an extremely high cargo capacity for its class at 2500lbs. That completely puts it out of our range if I assume it weighs 7500lbs and has 13% - 15% (975lbs - 1125lbs).

Even if it's 500 pounds over the dry weight, I can't possibly imagine any situation where we'd have 2,000lbs of stuff on board. We have friends who full time with 2 kids and they only have 1,500lbs on board.

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drsteve wrote:

Dry weight numbers are mostly fictional. It looks like you will be really close to the 'Burb's limits when loaded for camping. Have you considered a heavier duty tow vehicle? One ton passenger vans are very capable. Plenty of room, and cargo capacity to spare.


We have looked at them, but ultimately we decided on an SUV, which means Suburban, Tahoe, Expedition and their various Yukon and EL/Max variations since this will be replacing our primary family vehicle. Full size vans just don't have as many creature comforts unless you spend a lot more money.

The camper would be the thing to change if we decide this is too much for the vehicle.

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“We have friends who full time with 2 kids and they only have 1,500lbs on board.“

Water...50 gallons...400 plus pounds. Daddy can we take bicycles? 35-40 pounds each plus the carrier. Firewood...25 pounds. Tools...20 pounds. House batteries...120 pounds. Propane...outdoor table and chairs...water hoses...sports equipment...tarps...food....pots and pans....etc. I’ll bet your friends are guessing...because that weight “fit” their limit carrying and/or pulling.

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I'll just share my experience, with a family of 5 and 1720 payload we were maxed out when we went on a 3 week trip and we only have a 3600 pound GVWR trailer. Our trailer was at 100% and we were at 101% on the rear axle and slightly under on the front. Part of this might be a single axle trailer with a large passthrough that encourages high hitch weight but I can't imagine a trailer with twice the weight being any lighter on the tongue and still safe.


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