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An EV makes sense for many households.

"According to ABC News, the average American drives 16 miles to work each way, with a daily commute totaling nearly an hour round trip."

How Far Do Americans Drive to Work on Average?


This^^^^ Is the real driving force behind EV. Most of us live close enough to work that an and an EV can get the job done.
NO an EV is not for everyone in every location but most of us fall within the 16 mile range which make us an EV candidate. Lack of infrastructure can and will be overcome and is not the determining factor.
Think of an EV more as a souped up golf cart capable of reaching highway speeds with basic amenities.
Most of us could use such a vehicle if we changed our mindset.
Most of us including myself do not think we are EV compatible, but an EV could easily replace 3 out of my households 5 cars.
There is a place in most households in most parts of the country for an EV.


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Lantley wrote:

gemsworld wrote:

An EV makes sense for many households.

"According to ABC News, the average American drives 16 miles to work each way, with a daily commute totaling nearly an hour round trip."

How Far Do Americans Drive to Work on Average?


This^^^^ Is the real driving force behind EV. Most of us live close enough to work that an and an EV can get the job done.
NO an EV is not for everyone in every location but most of us fall within the 16 mile range which make us an EV candidate. Lack of infrastructure can and will be overcome and is not the determining factor.
Think of an EV more as a souped up golf cart capable of reaching highway speeds with basic amenities.
Most of us could use such a vehicle if we changed our mindset.
Most of us including myself do not think we are EV compatible, but an EV could easily replace 3 out of my households 5 cars.
There is a place in most households in most parts of the country for an EV.


We are under that average for our commute but tend to make it up on weekend plus it’s not uncommon for me to do a couple hundred kilometres for work related stuff during the week. Less in the winter as we try to get away for a bit. Having said that, winter is the season we appreciate the EV more than any other season. Instant heat, pre-warm, never scraping windows. Soooo much more convenient.

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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Has anyone forgotten how the conventional car companies pooh poohed all-electric cars as impossible and will be too costly to be viable?
No I don't, but I do remember them saying that they were impractical. And still are for a fairly large segment of the population. Within 10 years, they'll be more practical, unless something else comes along to displace them.


Care to explain why it's still impractical for the "fairly large segment of the population."?
A large segment of the people in my part of the country don't necessarily have a garage, or carport. They park on the street. How do they recharge overnight? Or drive some distance to work and don't have access to recharging while working. Or have to periodically drive long distances without having ready access to charging while traveling. Yes, these issues can all be addressed but in the meantime they are real reasons not to buy an EV. And of course the cost for many of these EV's puts them out of reach for many people.

What works for you may not necessarily work for everyone.


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fj12ryder wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

Has anyone forgotten how the conventional car companies pooh poohed all-electric cars as impossible and will be too costly to be viable?
No I don't, but I do remember them saying that they were impractical. And still are for a fairly large segment of the population. Within 10 years, they'll be more practical, unless something else comes along to displace them.


Care to explain why it's still impractical for the "fairly large segment of the population."?
A large segment of the people in my part of the country don't necessarily have a garage, or carport. They park on the street. How do they recharge overnight? Or drive some distance to work and don't have access to recharging while working. Or have to periodically drive long distances without having ready access to charging while traveling. Yes, these issues can all be addressed but in the meantime they are real reasons not to buy an EV. And of course the cost for many of these EV's puts them out of reach for many people.

What works for you may not necessarily work for everyone.


Your last statement is so very true.

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fj12ryder wrote:Yes, these issues can all be addressed but in the meantime they are real reasons not to buy an EV. And of course the cost for many of these EV's puts them out of reach for many people.

What works for you may not necessarily work for everyone.

I agree EV is not for everyone.
But before EV can work for anyone. The user must desire to have an EV if you don't desire an EV it will never work for you.
If you are a dedicated to EV you will conquer the obstacles and find a way to make EV work for you.
In a way EV ownership is similar to RV ownership. Many store their RV's off site.
They load and unload at the storage and go through a lot of challenges to have an RV. Fortunately I am able to keep my RV at home. I doubt I would own ab RV if I had to use storage, but I understand many meet the challenges of off site storage and manage to enjoy RV'ing much in the way some with only street parking find a way to own a EV. It all starts with having the will and desire to own an EV.
Where there is a will there's a way. For the record RV'ing is not for everyone either

* This post was edited 08/17/19 03:31pm by Lantley *

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Many households have 2 or more vehicles, and having an EV for short commutes or running errands makes a lot of sense, in my opinion.

And just like some of you here that are always preaching about buying used RVs versus new, you can do the same with EVs and hybrids.

Prices on 3 year-old EVs and hybrids:

2016 Nissan Leaf with 84 to 107 mile range - $10,991 in Autotrader

2016 Tesla Model S with 208 to 315 mile range - $44,600 in Autotrader

2016 Chevy Volt hybrid with 53 mile battery range and unlimited on gas - $15,697 in Autotrader.

My personal choice would be the Chevy Volt since you can have the best of both worlds and not have to suffer from range anxiety. Too bad GM killed it.





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gemsworld wrote:

Many households have 2 or more vehicles, and having an EV for short commutes or running errands makes a lot of sense, in my opinion


Based on what financial metric. By 2 or more vehicles that is typically equal to the number of drivers. It doesn’t matter the efficiency, drivers+x vehicles, is very hard to justify cost. If you want electric do it. But good luck doing the math adding a vehicle just to do errands that nets less cost than doing the errands in the vehicles you own.

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Nowhere did I say to add another vehicle to the existing household fleet. In case I wasn't clear, I meant an ICE vehicle can be replaced with an EV for short commutes and errands. It goes without saying this scenario won't work for everyone.

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gemsworld wrote:

Nowhere did I say to add another vehicle to the existing household fleet. In case I wasn't clear, I meant an ICE vehicle can be replaced with an EV for short commutes and errands. It goes without saying this scenario won't work for everyone.


I agree. Yes it can. Providing the one it replaces did not have the same drive requirements as the other in the fleet. Much the same way I could replace a F150 with a Prius.

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mich800 wrote:

gemsworld wrote:

Nowhere did I say to add another vehicle to the existing household fleet. In case I wasn't clear, I meant an ICE vehicle can be replaced with an EV for short commutes and errands. It goes without saying this scenario won't work for everyone.


I agree. Yes it can. Providing the one it replaces did not have the same drive requirements as the other in the fleet. Much the same way I could replace a F150 with a Prius.


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