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Run out of gas in the middle of a long stretch of lonely highway or out in the boonies, it's not too hard to get a couple gallons and get to a fuel station. I've helped others out that way multiple times.
But carrying a long extension cord is gonna be interesting to watch. I know I don't carry 15 or 20 miles.


Simple answer... Carry an inverter genny in the back, a GAS POWERED one. I know Tesla take a special plug right, wrong. You can plug a Tesla into a standard 110 volt or 220 volt outlet, The come with an adapter. My cousin has an X and when he visits, we plug it into my shop power so a portable genny would work too.

I'll never buy an electric car either but I like riding in my cousin't X and I like driving it too, goes like a scalded dog.


Not trying to start a fight online, but I just envisioned how much better for the environment it will be with a bunch of piggybacked portable generators hanging off the back of a tesla truck to get it back into town. [emoticon]


Well, if somebody runs out of power in an electric vehicle they are either a moron or can’t read their instrumentation. Tell the car where you are going. It will tell you if you are going to make it, if you need to go to a Supercharger, where the Supercharger is, if it is available etc etc etc. It’s not rocket science.

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Well, if somebody runs out of power in an electric vehicle they are either a moron or can’t read their instrumentation..
Running out of gas ain't too swift either.

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wanderingaimlessly wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

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Run out of gas in the middle of a long stretch of lonely highway or out in the boonies, it's not too hard to get a couple gallons and get to a fuel station. I've helped others out that way multiple times.
But carrying a long extension cord is gonna be interesting to watch. I know I don't carry 15 or 20 miles.


Simple answer... Carry an inverter genny in the back, a GAS POWERED one. I know Tesla take a special plug right, wrong. You can plug a Tesla into a standard 110 volt or 220 volt outlet, The come with an adapter. My cousin has an X and when he visits, we plug it into my shop power so a portable genny would work too.

I'll never buy an electric car either but I like riding in my cousin't X and I like driving it too, goes like a scalded dog.


Not trying to start a fight online, but I just envisioned how much better for the environment it will be with a bunch of piggybacked portable generators hanging off the back of a tesla truck to get it back into town. [emoticon]


Well, if somebody runs out of power in an electric vehicle they are either a moron or can’t read their instrumentation. Tell the car where you are going. It will tell you if you are going to make it, if you need to go to a Supercharger, where the Supercharger is, if it is available etc etc etc. It’s not rocket science.


Does it know if you are going to make it towing a 4000 lb barn door? What I got from those videos is that it doesn’t. I think those videos made a good case for a plug in hybrid with a good size battery, so you can take advantage of the electric motor torque on grades but not worry about being stranded.


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My point was only the comedic value of the use of a couple of portable generators, without catalytic converters or other smog controls, plus the visual of 3 honda genny's running wide open to power the electric vehicle.

It's the equivalent of a lear jets use to get to a climate change speech.

That Tesla has that flexibility I believe is great, it's one more way of powering the vehicle, but if the charging source isn't solar or Nuclear, it seems counterproductive.

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My point was only the comedic value of the use of a couple of portable generators, without catalytic converters or other smog controls, plus the visual of 3 honda genny's running wide open to power the electric vehicle.

It's the equivalent of a lear jets use to get to a climate change speech.

That Tesla has that flexibility I believe is great, it's one more way of powering the vehicle, but if the charging source isn't solar or Nuclear, it seems counterproductive.


Hydro has a place too, as well as being tied to flood control, irrigation etc. Wind as well.

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I enjoyed those videos.

Clearly not a good candidate for long-distance towing, but for a typical suburban family towing their boat to the nearest river or lake, it would be fine!

I would like to see them repeat the test with a more modest towing speed. Just because you can tow uphill at the speed limit, doesn't mean to you have to... Also towing something with less frontal area would probably better represent a more typical trailer load for model X owners.

FWIW - I'm pretty sure my next vehicle purchase will be electrified, although probably not full EV. The 500 HP, 630 ft-lbs or torque, in the new Lincoln Aviator hybrid, is pretty promising!



I feel a small travel trailer would represent what most Model X owners would tow and agree slowing down would be more real world. Of course climbing the Ike is what they are all about at TFL but I'd love to see figures for 55-65mph on flat highway as that's where most of the time will be spent while towing.


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I feel a small travel trailer would represent what most Model X owners would tow and agree slowing down would be more real world. Of course climbing the Ike is what they are all about at TFL but I'd love to see figures for 55-65mph on flat highway as that's where most of the time will be spent while towing.


They already did a test on flat land around those speeds. It did not do well there either.

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Does it know if you are going to make it towing a 4000 lb barn door? What I got from those videos is that it doesn’t. I think those videos made a good case for a plug in hybrid with a good size battery, so you can take advantage of the electric motor torque on grades but not worry about being stranded.
Supposed to learn based on your driving style but this would need a software update to get a more accurate estimate at the start. User would quickly learn to divide by 2 or 3 depending on conditions.

About the same as a petrol truck where the DTE says 450 miles and you hook up a trailer and know very well you only get 225 miles range.


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Well, if somebody runs out of power in an electric vehicle they are either a moron or can’t read their instrumentation. Tell the car where you are going. It will tell you if you are going to make it, if you need to go to a Supercharger, where the Supercharger is, if it is available etc etc etc. It’s not rocket science.


If you look at the video in the link I posted of them testing this car on flat ground, the vehicle was no where near accurate when towing. They were loosing a percent every mile and the actual range was much lower than than what it said when they started because it was dropping so fast. They had to turn off the A/C and reduce from 70 mph to 55 mph.

Although, that begs the question. How would the computer know its consumption when towing before you start your journey? They did not input the weight, aerodynamics of the trailer, or rolling resistance of the tires so how would the car know? It is easy to predict range with just the car since Tesla knows the drag coefficient of the car and all the other things effecting it range, but how does it know the trailer's specs?

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Well, if somebody runs out of power in an electric vehicle they are either a moron or can’t read their instrumentation. Tell the car where you are going. It will tell you if you are going to make it, if you need to go to a Supercharger, where the Supercharger is, if it is available etc etc etc. It’s not rocket science.


If you look at the video in the link I posted of them testing this car on flat ground, the vehicle was no where near accurate when towing. They were loosing a percent every mile and the actual range was much lower than than what it said when they started because it was dropping so fast. They had to turn off the A/C and reduce from 70 mph to 55 mph.

Although, that begs the question. How would the computer know its consumption when towing before you start your journey? They did not input the weight, aerodynamics of the trailer, or rolling resistance of the tires so how would the car know? It is easy to predict range with just the car since Tesla knows the drag coefficient of the car and all the other things effecting it range, but how does it know the trailer's specs?


Good question. I’ll do some snoopin. The ability to enter that kind of data would be kinda cool.

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