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Posted: 08/19/19 03:52pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Hello again!

I'm hoping some of you fine folks can help answer some questions before we pull the trigger on a used 2012 5th wheel......

Background:
Over the past year, DW and I have migrated to an Expedition, borrowed a bumper pull, rented a larger one, decided what we really wanted was too long for my comfort on a bumper pull, so we progressed to upgrade the TV to a ram 3500. Whew.

Today:
Now we're back to RV shopping. Long story short, we're looking at a 2012 Cedar Creek Silverback 33REA. I'm having some amount of trouble finding terribly many posts about Silverbacks. Most are generally favorable. I don't see dozens of horror stories that I have seen regarding other brands. (Which is great!)

But we're looking at a 7yr old rig. We know it has problems. I'll detail what we know so far. Then I'll ask some questions. [emoticon]

2012 CC Silverback 33REA:
Overall it looks in really good condition. It's obviously been stored OUTside. All-in-all it looks to be fairly well maintained. But -- since it's ~7yrs old -- it does have a few issues, and of course, "we don't know what we don't know."

We've put a deposit on it so it won't get sold out from under us, but we're far from having an agreement on terms (cost, repair items, etc). That should start up in earnest tomorrow, most likely.

1. Biggest most concerning issues -- some floor rot and sagging in the rear corners of BOTH driver and passenger side rear slides. From what we can gather, it looks like this water damage has been due to runoff down the sides of the slides and then slurping up and under the bottom to the wood. We can't find any evidence of water coming INSIDE either slide, just down the sides and up and around underneath to the floor (or at least, that's our guess). Is this common? Any wisdom on Silverback's or CC's owners that have dealt with this before? Is this acceptable or "run run run as fast as you can?" As I said we can't find anything that would indicate water running INSIDE the slides, but we don't know for sure..

EDIT: Sorry, I should clarify that the amount of floor damage is about a 2-sqft region on one slide, and about a 3-sqft region on the other slide. It's certainly not "the whole slide" by any means. Based on the replies I'm thinking I may have mis-represented the issue. The rest of the floors across all slides are VERY hard and solid. It's just these two back corners that are a concern.

2. Second biggest question -- what kinds of common problems are these 2012'ish CC/SB's known for? Is this a money-pit waiting to happen based on others' prior experiences? We certainly don't mind doing some repairs (we certainly can't afford a new unit!), but if there are serious regularly-occurring issues that we should know about, we sure would be appreciative to know now before we pay them the rest. I've been scouring the web but don't see very many horror stories about CC SB's. I mean that's GREAT! But maybe I just haven't looked under the right rock? [emoticon]

3. The current bumper has no hitch in it. We have three kids, which means a total of five bikes. I've been using one of these on our vehicle (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00R6SBMTW). We're not sure how to do bikes with the 33REA .. Five bikes weigh ..... a lot!

4. There are a few odds and ends like the bottom corners of the master and bathroom sliding doors are swollen like water damage, but they're hanging doors so it's really confusing how that could have happened. There seems to be no moisture coming from the roof. It's pretty baffling! There are also some wasps that are coming in from SOMEWHERE. Not sure where.. A very few ants, but not many.. No signs of water under sinks or behind cabinets. No obvious concerns of water around toilet or shower. Several of signs of OLD water under the forward bedroom slide, but does not look to be wet any longer...

5. Looks like motorized levelers in the front (NOT an auto-leveler) and manual levelers in the back. We have borrowed and rented a few RV's in the past that were all manual, so I suppose motorized are better? Except that the two front feet look to be operated in unison, so if I'm on uneven ground then I suppose that I need to adjust one foot higher/lower than the other, and THEN put both down together. I guess that's how those work?

6. LP, I see no external hookup for an aftermarket outside grill. We thought about just dedicating one LP tank to the rig and the other to a stove (disconnect one from the Y connector hose). I assume there's got to be a better solution out there though?

7. Covers? We will have to store it off-site. Probably outside. Are there recommended covers to slow the aging process? The sidewall graphics are already cracking, but we want to continue keeping UV and Rain out once it's ours.

It needs a new awning and new slide seals for sure. The roof looks good but will probably need some resealing to be safe. We haven't yet put it through all the PDI checks yet, but expect to go back sometime later this week to go through all the systems to make sure they function properly (LP, water, heater, tanks, electrical, slides, levelers, etc etc etc), or to at least become aware of what doesn't work (and then negotiate repair/etc).

I should stop here. This is long enough. [emoticon]

Any and all advice is absolutely welcomed and very much appreciated. It may not be new, but it'll be new to us, and it's still a big investment (for us). We're very excited but don't want to be left "holding the bag" so to speak.

Thanks everyone!
..dane

* This post was edited 08/19/19 04:43pm by audiodane *


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It doesn't sound in that great a shape. Water damage in several places, wasps, ants, I think I would run away. Theres a lots of used RV's for sale.

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Rot in floor...run, run, run. Probably also has rot in walls and possibly mold. There are plenty of good sound trailers around, don't buy a project.
Bike rack doesn't work just bolted to the back "bumper". That's just a lightweight hose carrier, it will fall off with bikes attached to it.
Sounds like it might have flood damage...STAY AWAY!.
Sounds like it is pretty bad shape for a 2012. I wouldn't touch it...

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Sorry, I should clarify that the amount of floor damage is about a 2-sqft region on one slide, and about a 3-sqft region on the other slide. It's certainly not "the whole slide" by any means. Based on the replies I'm thinking I may have mis-represented the issue. The rest of the floors across all slides are VERY hard and solid. It's just these two back corners that are a concern.

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Cedar Creek repair topic

Sounds like it was not maintained very well, and was just used, and stored.

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Posted: 08/19/19 05:28pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

“some floor rot and sagging in the rear corners of BOTH driver and passenger side rear slides.”

Run away from this one.


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For a 7 year old rig to have that kind of damage would concern me.. I just traded my 16 year old Prowler and it has never leaked and actually cleaned up better than I thought and I got way more on trade then I thought I'd get on top of that..

Anyway, unless you are willing to take on the repairs yourself, hope you can get it for a price that will allow you to put a lot of time and money into it to fix it right..

Good luck!

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water damage any where,RUN , we told you so.just think what damage you can,t see.and mold its there.

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IMO walk away. The awning is no big deal but the floors would be a deal breaker. There's either a leak or a design flaw. fixing the floor is a temp fix.

Would add that there are some really good solutions for bikes. Our current rig, as well as a previous Cougar, has a slide out bumper with a built in bike rack that easily holds 4 bikes. Something you might want to look for.


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Heed the advice you have been given. This is not a borderline call. The slide damage is a deal breaker.
Visible water damage is a deal breaker!


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