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camperdave

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Posted: 08/28/19 08:50am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

davelinde wrote:


Range... our first rig had a 300 mile range and that is frankly annoying - so I over-compensated and the next rig (HDT getting 9 with 200 gallons of diesel) could do 1800 -- what can I expect in a C with a small 4 down tow behind?


Ford has a 55 gallon tank. Generator cuts out at 1/4 tank, so personally I really try to never get close to that. I start looking at 200 miles, fill by 250. Can easily to 300+ but I'll be getting down around 1/4 tank. My recent 2500 mile trip with no toad (30' @ ~13k pounds) I averaged 7.77mpg.

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Storage space - our first rig quickly put on (literally) a ton of stuff and approached over weight ratings quickly. Our second rig had storage to spare for tools and toys. I can live with less of both but would like to have compressed air, basic repair tools, a pair of bicycles, golf clubs, maybe a smoker... at least a nice grill - will I make GVWR?


Very rig dependent. I've got 30' with no slides, and a very large rear storage area. Plus a large under bed area inside where I keep extra water and my tools. Full of stuff (family of 4 plus dog) I'm comfortably under GVWR and under both axle weights.

davelinde wrote:

Amenities - our first rig was basic and for our second we added the genset, big tanks, 3 TV's, sound system, ice maker, second fridge, screen porch... For a smaller rig I can give all of that up I think actually - but in the last decade I think RV have new amenities I may covet? What is the must have bling?


Can't help you there. My rig is older with no 'fluff'. I don't even have a TV. But I will say the onboard genset is a game changer. A/C and microwave anytime we want.

davelinde wrote:

Setup - both our rigs were labor intensive to site and setup. We are done with leveling manually... I'm thinking all class C will anchor and level with a push button? Plug in electric and decide about water/sewer later? We are assuming a 4 down tow behind for ease of local transport and ease to connect/disconnect the vehicle. I think if we can do that we don't miss the towable setup?


Levelers are an option. Can be installed on any unit for the most part, but at extra cost of course. I don't have them, got a quote of around $4k to have them installed. Decided lego's aren't so bad lol. To the other stuff, power is all we usually plug into when arriving, the water/sewer is optional as needed. I don't have a toad, but we travel more than camp these days so it wouldn't really make a difference for us. Maybe in a few years, I dunno.

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Comfort/ease of travel. With the 5er and 3/4 ton it was work to drive and nothing in the cab. When we had the HDT our cab had space to stand up, a coffee maker, fridge and was as easy to drive as set the cruise, engage the jake brake and let her go. While my wife refused to drive it, I found the HDT a joy. With a C I guess we have fridge and coffee close. DW says she will drive it. But do the new rigs have cruise with following distance and lane assist? Will a C get pushed around the rode like my pickup? I'm guessing I'll never get the ride and handling I had in the HDT?


Access to the house while driving was the #1 reason we moved from a TT to a motorhome last year. I don't regret it one bit. The motorhome is not going to drive as well as an HDT. Probably not as well as your pickup. They are box trucks, and handle like them lol. I don't think any of the C's have lane assist or adaptive cruise control, but am not sure about that. I'm sure it's on the way at some point.

No help on drivetrains or cost, I like the Ford V10 and buy everything well used...


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mleekamp wrote:

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1. We now have 2 dogs, and the truck was crowded with mom, dad, kid 1, kid 2, dog 1, dog 2. With the C, they are in a kennel, and sit above me in the overhang for "safety", not roaming around rig. ...


You made me laugh on that one! That must be quite a site! Mom, kid 1, kid 2, dog 1, dog 2 all in a kennel in the over-head! . ... um 1 kennel up there or 5 of them? [emoticon]


That's right -- Dad is driving, ya'll keep quiet in your kennel and when we get there, I'll let you out! [emoticon]


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We have had our 24' C for 6+ years and 51,000+ trouble free miles from coast to coast and all over the west. I typically tow a 10' {14' overall} cargo trailer hauling either my Indian motorcycle or our Polaris RZR. It is a Ford E-350 with the 6.8L V-10 with a 5 speed Torque Shift trans and a 4:10 rear axle. We have the 55 gallon tank and have averaged 9.5 mpg not towing, 9 towing the bike and 8.5 towing the RZR all while cruising at 60 - 65 {average about 63}.

I do not have any slides, electric steps or levelers and would never own a coach with any of them. Too many problems, too expensive and too heavy all in search of a solution for which there is no known problem {the government does this a lot}.

I carry lots of tools and toys and have not even come close to using all of the available storage. Having the extra space in the trailer helps a lot. We usually run near or even at our GVWR of 11,500 and the ride and handling are excellent.

I agree that having the built in 4KW generator is essential. Used to run a pair of Honda 2,000's when we had our 22' TT and it was such a PITA we often just did without AC.

We used to have a large dog but now it is just my bride and I. While we can easily accommodate a guest or two 99 per cent of the time it is just the two of us. With a great floor plan, 101" wide with 7' of headroom throughout the coach our 24 footer is one of the roomiest out there.

As always... Opinions and YMMV.

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Thanks all for feeding me thoughts, facts and opinion on this - it is helping me get my mind around this a bit. I will need to work to get comfy with the idea of a Ford V10... Having had a couple diesel motors I loved that could take me some time.

For the specs... I was assuming smaller tanks and I am confident we can live with that. The huge capacity of the hauler was always way more than we ever needed. One thing that does seem low is the amount of propane spec'd for a lot of rigs, and it seems especially odd for those with propane gensets. I'll need to dig into that more.


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PartyOf Five wrote:

x2 Benz - I would seriously look at how much you can do without, and all the features the MB chassis offers vs. the well-worn domestics. Smaller will be easier as cities get bigger, and as we all age...

Having driven a E450 in the US could not agree more. Although we have moved to the IVECO Daily Chassis here, that has positive aspects of both the Sprinter and E450

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One thing that does seem low is the amount of propane spec'd for a lot of rigs, and it seems especially odd for those with propane gensets. I'll need to dig into that more.


Not only that, but there's only one tank unlike a typical towable. So when you're out, you're out. And of course propane gauges are not exactly accurate... Mine at least shows empty when there's still at least a 1/4 tank (usable) left. I end up filling up before I need to, but without a changeover valve and second tank I'm not sure what else to do about it. [emoticon]

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Not only that, but there's only one tank unlike a typical towable. So when you're out, you're out. And of course propane gauges are not exactly accurate... Mine at least shows empty when there's still at least a 1/4 tank (usable) left. I end up filling up before I need to, but without a changeover valve and second tank I'm not sure what else to do about it. [emoticon]


The gauge on the propane tank itself should be more accurate than that (it's a mechanical float in the tank), though it's often rather obscured by the sender for the display inside the motorhome, and sometimes is not in a very visible location at all.





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If I remember right the gauge on the tank it self is not adjustable, but I think that the gauge inside the mh is adjustable.

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We started out tent camping then got a tired VW Westphalia van, then a Dodge Van camper conversion, then an old Higgins Delta "C" and finally our 2004 Tioga 26Q "C". For some time we have been content to just unfurl the awning and relax out doors. You don't need a rolling hotel, with fake fire place, etc., etc., like on those TV shows to enjoy the hobby/lifestyle. Making a wood fire and cooking bacon and eggs for breakfast, reading a good book, playing my guitar, and later grilling chicken parts for dinner and looking at the night sky with my cheap telescope is my current vision of adult motorhome camping.

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I have had two rigs that were close to impervious to crosswinds and big trucks going by. The first was a F250 6.0 PSD pulling an Arctic Fox 22H w/Reese W/D & friction sway bar.

The second is my current class C, see sig. The stock Chevy 4500 chassis with 47k miles on it does not get antsy until the crosswind is over 30mph. Another plus is no V10 engine noise.

Outside storage gets good at around 26’ to 28’ and up of coach length depending on floorplan. My last class C & this one have about 100cuft of storage in the back. If you get a class C with an overhead bed. That can be used for inside storage also, I did. My current rig has an entertainment center over the cab. But there is a surprising amount of room behind the TV that swings up & out of the way. The tow vehicle can carry the bicycles.

As far as drivetrain religion goes. I think it is more experience than religion. Being a Ford guy I like the V10 if you can put up with the noise and dog house. I almost did not even look at my current rig because it is Chevy based. But it has the kitchen counter space I wanted. So I did a long test drive and bought it. Also my mechanic likes the engine. Oh, I have learned to buy use RV’s.

I top off the LP every spring. I do not travel when it is near freezing out. I only turn on the water heater in the morning for a shower and then turn it off. The water stays hot all day. I also use electric space heaters to supplement the furnace.

Decisions, decisions, decisions…. Hope the above helps with yours.


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