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From what I have seen, forest management is taking a short term view of thinning.

They go thru and remove all of the small trees, leaving just the large ones.
The public is OK with it, as they like the big trees.
I wonder what it will look like when those big trees die. There are no smaller trees in the pipeline to take their place.

A more sustainable approach would be to thin removing trees of all sizes.. Keeping in mind that the reason mother nature allows so many small trees to sprout, is that few of them will live long enough to become the large trees we all like to see.


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Huntindog,
Forest management is a long term strategy. It is always a long term endeavor. We management forests for our children. Sometimes you have to look closely to see the regen and younger age class trees left after thinning and selection cuts.

In many stands you will not see saplings and seedlings, trees say under 20 feet tall. But there will often be plenty of pole sized trees in the understory. It takes awhile to look carefully and see what is happening.

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ppine wrote:

Huntindog,
Forest management is a long term strategy. It is always a long term endeavor. We management forests for our children. Sometimes you have to look closely to see the regen and younger age class trees left after thinning and selection cuts.

In many stands you will not see saplings and seedlings, trees say under 20 feet tall. But there will often be plenty of pole sized trees in the understory. It takes awhile to look carefully and see what is happening.
Oh I have looked. In AZ there are NO pole sized trees left after they thin it.
According to your thinking, saplings and seedlings are not needed.
I disagree. A healthy forest should have trees of all ages.

And you need more than just a few. In the years that it takes for a tree to mature, many will die. That is the way nature works. It is why all living things tend to produce more than is needed. It ensures that after attrition, the species will survive.

Of course none of us will live long enough to see it, so the public is fine with it. For now. It will be many years before our descendants look around, and see no trees where a forest used to be.... I wonder if they will realize what they are missing, and why.


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Right after a thinning, younger age class trees are not very noticeable. That is exactly what happened after frequent low intensity ground fires before fire suppression by man. Fore

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