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So here we are discussing the “ENDURANCE” tires. Finally that part is clear.

GY can tell if a tire failure is from road hazard or not. If not they pay for tire and damages. No reports of this happening.

2 years 7 months is long enough time.


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Cummins12V98 wrote:

So here we are discussing the “ENDURANCE” tires. Finally that part is clear.

GY can tell if a tire failure is from road hazard or not. If not they pay for tire and damages. No reports of this happening.

2 years 7 months is long enough time.



I agree its about the Endurance, buts its still a Goodyear tire, and we know about other Goodyear tires, and their STELLAR reputation .

If you say so at 2 years ,and 7 months. I have to believe you know a little more about tires too get all giddy about these young tires . Lets jump up ,and down when they have aged for about 5 years, got a few miles ,and sun on them , etc, then lets see how they are holding up.

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

So here we are discussing the “ENDURANCE” tires. Finally that part is clear.

GY can tell if a tire failure is from road hazard or not. If not they pay for tire and damages. No reports of this happening.

2 years 7 months is long enough time.


So, what exactly does “no reports of this happening” mean? Does it mean that no one has complained on an Internet forum about a failure? My guess is that a small % of people actually go online to complain.

I personally have had a number of tread separations. I haven’t complained online about many. And I’ve never contacted the tire manufacturer.


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A couple of thoughts:

Background: I spent the last 10 years of my career analyzing failed tires. It's amazing how much information you can pickup when you look closely and know what to look for. So - Yes - we can tell the difference between a road hazard failure and a structural failure not caused by a road hazard (or 90% of the time, anyway.)

The company I worked for had a good feedback system - known as the adjustment system. We credited dealers for tires they sent back that failed for a variety of reasons, including non-road hazard failures. Since we paid for the shipping, their only cost was the time and effort to fill out the paperwork. We got enough tires back to be able to plot year to year progress, and our data reached back decades.

To give you guys a feel for the volume of data we had, the production levels every year were in the 10's of millions, so even a 0.01% return rate meant thousands of tires.

One of the things we noticed was a consistent year to year return pattern. Returns for non-road hard failuires was tied to the summer heat. We hardly got any retirns in November to March.

Returns peaked in the third year after production, but you could get a quantifiable sense of how well a tire was doing after the second year.

I also spent a lot of time purusing the internet to get a feel for the amount of complaints conmpared to what was being sent back to us. It was clear that the complaint level was small compared to the quantity of tires we got back, but you could kind of gauge the relative performance.

Having said that, I started tracking the on-line reports of failures of the Goodyear Endurance ST tire line when it was introduced in the fall of 2016. That means the first production is in the last few months of the 3rd summer, and the second year of production is in the 2nd year. Because I have not seen any reported non-road hazard failures - compared to previous reported failures for the Marathon, I am declaring that Goodyear has fixed whatever problem they had with their ST tires.


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Well when do I get my Degree in Tire Failure Science???

Thanks for the writeup CapriRacer!

What's y'all negative nannies have to say now???

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Well when do I get my Degree in Tire Failure Science???

Thanks for the writeup CapriRacer!

What's y'all negative nannies have to say now???
Come back when those tires are 5 and 6 years old and have 30-40,000 miles on them. Oh wait, they don't last that long. [emoticon]


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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Well when do I get my Degree in Tire Failure Science???

Thanks for the writeup CapriRacer!

What's y'all negative nannies have to say now???
Come back when those tires are 5 and 6 years old and have 30-40,000 miles on them. Oh wait, they don't last that long. [emoticon]


25K tire , no thanks. Yes 5-6 years, but you are correct they will probably
never make it that long .

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Just gots ta throw out a negative Nannie comment.

At least one has some humor. “[emoticon]

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Cummins12V98 wrote:

Just gots ta throw out a negative Nannie comment.

At least one has some humor. “[emoticon]


Oh trust me there is plenty of humor in these tire threads . I just don’t drink the koolaid.
You brand loyalist crack me up, that’s for sure.

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IMO there's nothing wrong with being brand loyal, but you just don't want to be brand loyal to the point of blindness. I'm brand loyal to B&W hitches, Sailun tires, and Honda motorcycles. And DeWalt cordless tools.

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