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Bert Ackerman wrote:

What would be really special would be for anyone responding to this thread to first post if they were ever in a Union, and which one / ones.


Yes I was in a union for 10 years United Steel Workers


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I retired from a supplier and was a member of the UAW. We were making peanuts compared to what the Big 3 are making. Probably about 50% or less of what they were making when benefits are taken into consideration. We were making those wages so parts could be sold to the Big 3 at a cheaper price and therefore the Big 3 could pay their workers more. The UAW wants to showcase what the Big 3 make and don't give a squat about what the suppliers make. The only thing that the UAW did for us is to hold us down. We were making more in 2007 than what the same workers at the same plant are making today. We had to take a huge cut in pay and benefits just to keep our job.

Check into the FBI investigation that is going on now about the UAW leaders. The UAW is corrupt to the core and I'm sure that most others are too. There was proven corruption from our local leaders but nothing was ever done about it.

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The employees must be doing better than I thought. If they can afford to strike they are doing good. If they were in poor shape they would continue to work under the old contacts while negotiating the new. Both unions and management need to clean their acts. Management compensation is not commensurate with management contributions. GM and their workers lost my business years ago with their paint jobs on trucks that lasted until you drove off the lot, doors rusting thru quickly, AC units failing quickly, leaks in trunk. Took me a while to learn but never again.

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I'm sure I will catch a lot of grief for this but in my OPINION unions have out lived their usefulness.
When first started they were a great thing to protect employees but now its more about bleeding the company's for all they can get.


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30 years in the Carpenters union. Retired with a full pension at 56.
People jump to too many wrong conclusions about unions.
1st off not all unions are equal. And no they haven't outlived their usefulness.

Over the years I worked on mostly commercial projects and came in contact with union members of other trades. What I found was that within every trade union you had your radicals and they took advantage of their union.

Trade unions provide on the job training and a good wage plus benefits. You don't get that in the nonunion trades.

My union went on strike several times in the 30 years I worked. We never did anything to disrupt other trades from crossing the picket line. It was an honor system.

We also took pay cuts when our contract was up during recessions. All contract negotiations were done in an orderly manor and both sides got a fair deal.

IMO I feel that the UAW are taking advantage of auto makers and are asking for too much most of the time. I don't know the full details of their contract but there seems to be some pretty good conditions afforded workers.

BTW all the companies I worked for could opt out of the union when they wanted. But they knew they couldn't get the quality help from an ad in the paper.

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30 years in the Carpenters union. Retired with a full pension at 56.
People jump to too many wrong conclusions about unions.
1st off not all unions are equal. And no they haven't outlived their usefulness.

Over the years I worked on mostly commercial projects and came in contact with union members of other trades. What I found was that within every trade union you had your radicals and they took advantage of their union.

Trade unions provide on the job training and a good wage plus benefits. You don't get that in the nonunion trades.

My union went on strike several times in the 30 years I worked. We never did anything to disrupt other trades from crossing the picket line. It was an honor system.

We also took pay cuts when our contract was up during recessions. All contract negotiations were done in an orderly manor and both sides got a fair deal.

IMO I feel that the UAW are taking advantage of auto makers and are asking for too much most of the time. I don't know the full details of their contract but there seems to be some pretty good conditions afforded workers.

BTW all the companies I worked for could opt out of the union when they wanted. But they knew they couldn't get the quality help from an ad in the paper.


Excellent points. And to add, the auto manufacturers have learned from their bad practices earlier. If you routinely give away the farm for sake of expediency it eventually comes back to haunt you. So I think the manufacturers may take a harder line.

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The reality is that UAW and their VEBA fund received 17.5 ownership in GM in the bankruptcy deal. They were given preferential treatment in the bankruptcy and the government usurped bankruptcy law to give it to them at the cost of secured creditors. 10 years after benefiting from the government screwing the secured private sector creditors they want more or everything. Same stuff in the Chrysler case. I don't have much sympathy for the UAW members in any of this. Yes, they had to make some very realistic concessions in 2008 but without them none of them would have jobs. The world has changed, global production has changed and the labor contracts need to reflect that or they will force more manufacturing out of the country and UAW members will end up on the unemployment line.

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Both sides have "their" issues and hope they end up in the middle of the negotiating table

Am a union journeyman butcher because mom n dad owned a tiny specialty grocery/butcher shop

At 16 the union representative told dad I had to join the union and checked my paycheck to make sure dad paid me union wages. Cashed it and gave it to mom


Working through college had to join unions for my part time jobs....welders, mechanic, machinist, electrical and a couple more. Even caused a mini strike while a draftsman designing motor controls....was making more than the adult electrical works on the shop floor...they used to let me work out there during crunch time...after they insisted I join their union


One of my automation programs, largest robots in the largest automated system i the world... circa 1970's to 1980's, had US Steel lay off approx 4K and we were not lowed out and about without escort...housed us in Birmingham

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Posted: 09/24/19 10:25am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

UAW should have bought GM in bankruptcy.

(never in a union)


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time2roll wrote:

UAW should have bought GM in bankruptcy.

(never in a union)


LOL, that would of certainly made this guys job easier. Maybe they could of found Jimmy Hoffa and made him CEO?

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