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There is a two tier wage system and temporary workers because the union gave it their blessing.

GM workers getting higher wages and benefits will probably result in less sales for GM because the prices of their vehicles will have to be higher. The unions are political entities and maybe they want to help trigger a recession for obvious political reasons.

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danrclem wrote:

There is a two tier wage system and temporary workers because the union gave it their blessing.

GM workers getting higher wages and benefits will probably result in less sales for GM because the prices of their vehicles will have to be higher. The unions are political entities and maybe they want to help trigger a recession for obvious political reasons.


Could be worse. Maybe for political reasons maybe the other entity would love to get rid of unions so workers can make less money.

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JIMNLIN wrote:

Yeah this is a issue in all unions as unions are smart enough to know which party will support unions/members and which party and their supporters want to do away with them.

Reading this thread is a good example of that.


How does it help US jobs of we have open borders for workers from foreign countries, more free trade agreements, and lower tariffs on countries we already have huge trade discrepancies with? These are policies of certain political party that most unions support and will have a negative impact on US jobs. It may seem that they look like they support unions by what they say, but some of their actions and policies prove otherwise.

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JIMNLIN wrote:

Yeah this is a issue in all unions as unions are smart enough to know which party will support unions/members and which party and their supporters want to do away with them.

Reading this thread is a good example of that.


From what I have seen, going back decades no party has done much if anything to support unions or working people. But most people are to wrapped up in how many touchdowns in each of the innings than what the politicians are doing. They can vote against your interest time after time, but next election you can't look at what the record is, make your choice based on ads, if you bother to vote at all.

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ShinerBock wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

Yeah this is a issue in all unions as unions are smart enough to know which party will support unions/members and which party and their supporters want to do away with them.

Reading this thread is a good example of that.


How does it help US jobs of we have open borders for workers from foreign countries, more free trade agreements, and lower tariffs on countries we already have huge trade discrepancies with? These are policies of certain political party that most unions support and will have a negative impact on US jobs. It may seem that they look like they support unions by what they say, but some of their actions and policies prove otherwise.



Unfortunately, people often conflate how union members may vote or feel with how the top up administrators spend the unions cash to push a candidate or party. These are not mutually exclusive. Just because you belong to a union does not mean you are required to have a specific political view or social/economic priority. This is one way a union can fail their constituents as they unilaterally utilize their dues in a way that may not conform with a specific members desires.

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mich800 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

Yeah this is a issue in all unions as unions are smart enough to know which party will support unions/members and which party and their supporters want to do away with them.

Reading this thread is a good example of that.


How does it help US jobs of we have open borders for workers from foreign countries, more free trade agreements, and lower tariffs on countries we already have huge trade discrepancies with? These are policies of certain political party that most unions support and will have a negative impact on US jobs. It may seem that they look like they support unions by what they say, but some of their actions and policies prove otherwise.




Unfortunately, people often conflate how union members may vote or feel with how the top up administrators spend the unions cash to push a candidate or party. These are not mutually exclusive. Just because you belong to a union does not mean you are required to have a specific political view or social/economic priority. This is one way a union can fail their constituents as they unilaterally utilize their dues in a way that may not conform with a specific members desires.

I have no dog in this fight. But the amount of money that unions spend politically, generally to one party, is staggering. tens of millions,
There is something terribly wrong with the system if the unions are donating huge sums of money to causes its members do not support.


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danrclem wrote:

There is a two tier wage system and temporary workers because the union gave it their blessing.

GM workers getting higher wages and benefits will probably result in less sales for GM because the prices of their vehicles will have to be higher. The unions are political entities and maybe they want to help trigger a recession for obvious political reasons.


You may be correct but if IRC, at least in the past, manufacturers take turns at negotiations and the new contract laid the terms of negotiations with the other two. If so, most of what is agreed upon by GM will also affect the other 2 local issues aside. Thus eventually the additional cost to GM will also become additional costs to the other 2?


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The worst top 2 unions are in Washington D.C.


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ShinerBock wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

Yeah this is a issue in all unions as unions are smart enough to know which party will support unions/members and which party and their supporters want to do away with them.

Reading this thread is a good example of that.


How does it help US jobs of we have open borders for workers from foreign countries, more free trade agreements, and lower tariffs on countries we already have huge trade discrepancies with? These are policies of certain political party that most unions support and will have a negative impact on US jobs. It may seem that they look like they support unions by what they say, but some of their actions and policies prove otherwise.

Unions protect members in many ways such as seniority protection programs...health care programs....retirement programs...on the job training programs....wage protection programs....others benificail to the employee.
Political parties have their own agenda which generally back the company or back the employee.

Companies spend millions every year on anti union programs and supporting political canadates that will fight for them when they reach Washington or the state capitals.

Unions also spend millions every year and during elections supporting politicals that will fight for them.

Threads like this will not change anyones opinions on politics or unions.
Everyone is biased. So happens I'm biased for the american worker that belongs to a union or the american non union worker.


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