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Posted: 09/28/19 08:57am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

tomman58 wrote:

Another day of BS on this page. Bottom line still is .... if you are not an autoworker then you have no horse in the race... period.
Maybe, maybe not. Don't forget what Wilson said, "...what was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa."


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tomman58 wrote:

Another day of BS on this page. Bottom line still is .... if you are not an autoworker then you have no horse in the race... period.


Yes, you bond and stock holders, you taxpayers, just shut up and pay the pensions of these fine folks. Your retirement is of no importance.





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tomman58 wrote:

Another day of BS on this page. Bottom line still is .... if you are not an autoworker then you have no horse in the race... period.


I buy products made by UAW workers. Virtually everyone on this site does too and we all have finite resources so we have to make tough choices on how to spend our money. The feeling that a bunch of our money is going to whiny crybabies making twice the going wage and 4 times the benefits for this area does not make me one bit happy. I have said it before, if they don't like the job for what it pays quit and let someone who wants the job have it. There is no shortage of willing workers around the Spring Hill plant. And don't be shocked if my next car comes from the Kia plant in West Point Georgia. The one that I have has delivered tremendous value. If they ever start making pickups there the UAW is really going to start feeling the heat. But don't blame me when that happens because I have no horse in this race.

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Ever eat a Domino's pizza? Don't think there's any chefs involved there.[emoticon]


Dude, have you had Dominos in the last few years? They're not bad now. Not the tomato paste cardboard of years past! Still prefer PapaJohns for cardboard pizza though! For the garlic butter sauce!

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NJRVer wrote:

So you see nothing wrong with Making $15 an hour to assemble autos?

Domino's Pizza pays $15hr to deliver pizza in these parts and you also get tips.
It is a free country. Let those that want to deliver pizza do their thing and those that want to assemble autos do their thing.

Top chef for Dominos and the automotive engineers are the one's that will pull down the real money. Time to go back to school.



2008 GM CEO $14.9 million
2009 UAW worker $28hr.


2019 GM CEO $21.87 million
2019 UAW worker $30hr.


I'm one guy who would've been tickled pink to have made those wages. Don't forget the profit sharing and fantastic benefits that were added to those hourly wages. I think the CEO is making way too much money but if he can pay me that kind of money so be it.

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Unions are always a tough and touchy subject...big surprise!
Been Union, been non Union, both paid well enough to fund my college education in real time. Now manage both Union and non union shops.

The common denominators here that are causing a lot of the riff in the discussion are...
1. There is a large % of the population that either by will power or intelligence level, will never rise above the position of menial to skilled labor. Period.
2. There are people performing the same tasks as #1 who excel at it for various reasons and they make the #1s look bad and there are more #1s than #2s. Hence the sentiment that people get paid too much for the service they provide. Totally the case for some, not the case for others in "equal" positions.
That's the rub with unions. The socialism of the equality across the board.
Bad in that it rewards those who "just get by" for whatever reason they're just barely getting by. Good in that, somewhere there's a break even point between fair compensation and the effort put in to get that compensation. And without Union representation (not just UAW), there would be a disparity and more common folk getting taken advantage of.
And for those that cannot fathom how CEOs make "so much" and even mid level managers. You are probably a #1 either by choice or default.
I actively manage or am responsible for the performance about 100 people currently, but that number fluctuates as high as several hundred sometimes. If you're a #2. You likely get it. If you're a #1, you probably don't.

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[emoticon][emoticon][emoticon][emoticon]
Getting a bit personal on last page of posts.
Whoever said on this topic, their is no right or wrong answer, only depending on your view point, is probably the correct one.

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Grit dog wrote:

Unions are always a tough and touchy subject...big surprise!
Been Union, been non Union, both paid well enough to fund my college education in real time. Now manage both Union and non union shops.

The common denominators here that are causing a lot of the riff in the discussion are...
1. There is a large % of the population that either by will power or intelligence level, will never rise above the position of menial to skilled labor. Period.
2. There are people performing the same tasks as #1 who excel at it for various reasons and they make the #1s look bad and there are more #1s than #2s. Hence the sentiment that people get paid too much for the service they provide. Totally the case for some, not the case for others in "equal" positions.
That's the rub with unions. The socialism of the equality across the board.
Bad in that it rewards those who "just get by" for whatever reason they're just barely getting by. Good in that, somewhere there's a break even point between fair compensation and the effort put in to get that compensation. And without Union representation (not just UAW), there would be a disparity and more common folk getting taken advantage of.
And for those that cannot fathom how CEOs make "so much" and even mid level managers. You are probably a #1 either by choice or default.
I actively manage or am responsible for the performance about 100 people currently, but that number fluctuates as high as several hundred sometimes. If you're a #2. You likely get it. If you're a #1, you probably don't.


Best comment yet. I believe your #1 is will power. So many have had too much given to them that they have little desire to be better and there is so much assistance from the Federal, State and local governments that they can get by without working.


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tomman58 wrote:

Another day of BS on this page. Bottom line still is .... if you are not an autoworker then you have no horse in the race... period.


I think if you are taxpayer then you have every right to an opinion. Not only because public sector unions do over 3,400,000 hours of union work on taxpayer dime, but also because taxpayers had to bail out two auto companies due to their union obligations made the go bankrupt. So if anyone pays taxes here, they are entitle to an opinion regardless if you like it otle not.

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ShinerBock wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

Another day of BS on this page. Bottom line still is .... if you are not an autoworker then you have no horse in the race... period.


I think if you are taxpayer then you have every right to an opinion. Not only because public sector unions do over 3,400,000 hours of union work on taxpayer dime, but also because taxpayers had to bail out two auto companies due to their union obligations made the go bankrupt. So if anyone pays taxes here, they are entitle to an opinion regardless if you like it otle not.


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