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Well at least Michigans forests aren't burning to the ground due to total mismanagement.

I wonder how that's hurts California economy overall. I guess they can't protect everything.

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et2 wrote:

Well at least Michigans forests aren't burning to the ground due to total mismanagement.

I wonder how that's hurts California economy overall. I guess they can't protect everything.


This is the most ignorant post I've seen so far on the internet.





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gemsworld wrote:

et2 wrote:

Well at least Michigans forests aren't burning to the ground due to total mismanagement.

I wonder how that's hurts California economy overall. I guess they can't protect everything.


This is the most ignorant post I've seen so far on the internet.


Specially that the biggest forest fire was on National Forest which is not CA's responsibility but federal.

Let's wait for edit, maybe he will add that it's because Californian's are not sweeping their forests. Sweep or vacuum with Roomba? Can't remember.

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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

navigator2346 wrote:

Well, let me tell you pitch and a few others that claim agents "do not have the right". The agent could have given you the "pull over there and wait" speech. From there the agent could have called in the big boys to search your vehicle and trailer. They could have torn everything apart and then given you a piece of paper advising you to get it put back together by a professional before continuing on your way. Fact

That's it,, I'm outta here


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Wow! That makes for an interesting government. Sounds like the one my parents and grandparents ran from.


Right? Mine too!

Amazing what people believe. Simply amazing! SMH


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gemsworld wrote:

et2 wrote:

Well at least Michigans forests aren't burning to the ground due to total mismanagement.

I wonder how that's hurts California economy overall. I guess they can't protect everything.


This is the most ignorant post I've seen so far on the internet.


If that's the worst you've seen I'd stay off the internet altogether... There's some really weird stuff out there that would give you palpitations... ;-)

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All I can say is it's keeping a lot of people out of California.


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navigator2346 wrote:

Well, let me tell you pitch and a few others that claim agents "do not have the right". The agent could have given you the "pull over there and wait" speech. From there the agent could have called in the big boys to search your vehicle and trailer. They could have torn everything apart and then given you a piece of paper advising you to get it put back together by a professional before continuing on your way. Fact

That's it,, I'm outta here


Reading some replies that quote this makes me wonder. I will try not to get political, and stay historical.
Would this happen at a ag checkpoint? Very unlikely at this point. But say a roadside safety check or traffic stop? I believe it has.
First look at history. Ever hear about what your government did to the Japanese-Americans after Pearl Harbor? You, and most others think "But we where at WAR!" and the government has said "we're sorry" In times of war, "rights" must be restricted. Congress has the right to declare war, and in nearly 78 years they have done it twice. War on Drugs and War on Terror
When I raised my hand to swear to protect the constitution it had so many amendments I could not keep track of which was which. But in service of these 2 wars congress has done away with most of them. And for some reason the american people only throw a fit when they talk about one of them.
It would likely turn political if I started to go into that. But it is scary to point this out. Congress gave one president the authority to order the execution of anybody, anyplace in the world. (Where did congress get that authority to give away?) The next president used that authority to execute a juvenile american citizen. Any outrage from the population? The reaction from congress? A leader of the opposing party "Boy should of picked a better father"
To do a search LEO needs permission or "probable cause" May need a warrant, but "probable cause" will let them get the warrant. Many have the attitude "I have nothing to hide, come look." The other side of that, where LEO and judge stand, is "If you don't want me to look, you must have something to hide." And I bet for some that is "probable cause". If the LEO has the warrant, he likely will take ship apart until he finds what you are hiding. So yes, in this country there is a chance if you refuse to let the powers that be "Look around" you will have to put your snot back together.

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But an AG stop isn't about police enforcement - it's about protecting an area from invaders you surely don't know that you are transporting. Why on Earth would you not let someone find a pest that can create havoc in an environment?

We are a diverse group, but I bet the ONE thing we have in common is a love for the outdoors, right? And yet I'm astounded by the number of people who have an attitude about following guidlelines (not transporting firewood also comes to mind). I would gladly submit to a daily search if it would erase the millions of acres of dead trees, just for starters.

Yes, I am unabashedly a tree-and-fish hugger.

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Deb and Ed M wrote:

But an AG stop isn't about police enforcement - it's about protecting an area from invaders you surely don't know that you are transporting. Why on Earth would you not let someone find a pest that can create havoc in an environment?


Yes, but the uniform asks me, "Are you carrying fruits, veggies, or plants?" No. At that point, maybe tell me of the harm that could come from my fruit, fine. But "Can I come in and look?" Would translate in my mind to YOU ARE LYING! If uniform thinks they need to see for themselves, ask it inspect, don't ask what I have.

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We are a diverse group, but I bet the ONE thing we have in common is a love for the outdoors, right? And yet I'm astounded by the number of people who have an attitude about following guidlelines (not transporting firewood also comes to mind). I would gladly submit to a daily search if it would erase the millions of acres of dead trees, just for starters.

Yes, I am unabashedly a tree-and-fish hugger.


I might agree, but for the abuse of power by so many who have been given a little power. (Example Cop gets on the news, "Do what I tell you and I will not shoot you") No pushback.

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Geez people, focus. There are two factual issues here.

Legal - It is already a decided case, no less by the Supreme Court, that mobile homes/RVs are included in "automobile exemption" that can be searched without a need for warrant.

Environmental-agricultural protection -- of trees, seas, rivers, streams and natural resources we all love and the protection of the livelihood of millions of Americans in agriculture.

What's so difficult with that?

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