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Huntindog

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Posted: 10/25/19 01:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This is going as usual. What we have here is different perception as to what performance is acceptable.
Some of us have higher standards than others.
Some of us started with 1/2 tons, and thought they did fine..... Until they experienced the difference a HD truck makes. Once that occurs, most won't go back to a 1/2 ton.

As always, your money, your choice.



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Huntindog wrote:

This is going as usual. What we have here is different perception as to what performance is acceptable.
Some of us have higher standards than others.
Some of us started with 1/2 tons, and thought they did fine..... Until they experienced the difference a HD truck makes. Once that occurs, most won't go back to a 1/2 ton.

As always, your money, your choice.


Hmmm I went from a 08 F350 dually and 38ft 5th wheel to a half ton and 30ft 7200lb GVWR Travel trailer and the half ton handles the TT just as well as the dually did that 5th wheel...[emoticon]


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Posted: 10/25/19 02:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This OP is a newbie asking...

IMO, if anyone has to ask, they do NOT have the background/experience/etc to understand the kinds of advice provided on these freebie forums...so my advice is always to go by their ratings (they have to do some home work, which includes weighing everything, axle by axle)

It is risk management decision they are going to make from the advice they get here and hopefully factored by their research into their specifications.

Many will advise to squeeze as much ratings as they can...to more conservative advice.

For me, the decision is for the day Mr Murphy crosses my path. Either everything is sized properly and adjusted properly spot on, or not. No time to go back to the store and/or resetup everything.

Good luck to the OP and enjoy their experience(s)


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Why do people list their trailers GVWR? Do people really tow at their trailers max? I don't. I had an 11,400 5er that loaded up weighed 9200-9300 lbs. Why would I want to mislead anyone?

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"This OP is a newbie asking...

IMO, if anyone has to ask, they do NOT have the background/experience/etc to understand the kinds of advice provided on these freebie forums...so my advice is always to go by their ratings (they have to do some home work, which includes weighing everything, axle by axle)

It is risk management decision they are going to make from the advice they get here and hopefully factored by their research into their specifications."

^ True words by Mr. BenK. And while I'm about as far from the weight cops on here as anyone, I can and do read into the context of the question and try to assess the person's knowledge or abilities and tailor my response accordingly along.
This leads some folks on here to think I'm talking out both sides of my mouth, but I'm more of a "hey hold my beer and watch this" person and a do as I say, not as I do. And I don't push that on anyone, except the bible thumper equivalent of weight cops, lol.


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goducks10 wrote:

Why do people list their trailers GVWR? Do people really tow at their trailers max? I don't. I had an 11,400 5er that loaded up weighed 9200-9300 lbs. Why would I want to mislead anyone?


Or a better question, why do people obsess over a few hundred or even, say 1000 lbs? If a person has done much towing, they'd realize that towing safety includes many different factors, only 1 of which is the weight of the trailer. And trailer weight (within reason) may be a ways down on the list of important considerations depending on the trailer and the rig.
Like I have pulled around 15klbs many times behind 1/2 ton trucks, but it's low profile loads and the ability to adjust the load to get an acceptable tongue weight. BUT, I'd not even consider towing a 7 ton 5ver or toyhauler behind the same truck. Jus cuz it weighs the same don't mean it's even close to the same.
Nother example, ultralight, lightly loaded big TC, say 30' long and 6000lbs, not too practical but possible. A JGC or Durango is "rated" to tow more, but that trailer could horsewhip a short lighter vehicle like that pretty easily, especially in the hands of the inexperienced, but it would be far more comfortable towing it with an ext cab long bed 1/2 ton that may not have any more rated capacity, maybe less even.
So to err on the side of caution, the bigger the tow vehicle, the better, but it doesn't mean smaller is unacceptable in all cases.

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goducks10 wrote:

Why do people list their trailers GVWR? Do people really tow at their trailers max? I don't. I had an 11,400 5er that loaded up weighed 9200-9300 lbs. Why would I want to mislead anyone?


That depends on use. While snowbirding we two different 5th wheels we were always close to GVWR, and over once in a while with the 29' Cardinal. Bighorn was always close to it's 16K GVWR. Planning for GVWR makes a lot of sense, as one will not end up with not enough truck for the trailer. Have more truck than needed does not lead to issues like not having enough truck. Chris


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My question was raised so there could more clarity. Saying you tow the GVWR of your trailer while actually not spreads misinformation.
I had an F150 and towed a 7300 lb TT. It had a GVWR of 8400 lbs. If I said I towed an 8400 lbs GVWR TT with an F150 then someone thinks that F150's tow 8400 lbs easily.
Fake news.
It would be more helpful to say what your trailer actually weighs.

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goducks10 wrote:

My question was raised so there could more clarity. Saying you tow the GVWR of your trailer while actually not spreads misinformation.
I had an F150 and towed a 7300 lb TT. It had a GVWR of 8400 lbs. If I said I towed an 8400 lbs GVWR TT with an F150 then someone thinks that F150's tow 8400 lbs easily.
Fake news.
It would be more helpful to say what your trailer actually weighs.
It sure would be useful to state actual weights.
But most, even those on this forum have never weighed their rigs.... Of those that have, most only wieghed it once, usually when they first got it.

TTs are a lot like people in that, they both tend to gain weight over time, as one more thing gets put in them.

Going by GVWR, is usually the prudent thing to do. In fact I would wager that many end up over that, at some point.


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librty02 wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

This is going as usual. What we have here is different perception as to what performance is acceptable.
Some of us have higher standards than others.
Some of us started with 1/2 tons, and thought they did fine..... Until they experienced the difference a HD truck makes. Once that occurs, most won't go back to a 1/2 ton.

As always, your money, your choice.


Hmmm I went from a 08 F350 dually and 38ft 5th wheel to a half ton and 30ft 7200lb GVWR Travel trailer and the half ton handles the TT just as well as the dually did that 5th wheel...[emoticon]


huntindog wrote:

What we have here is different perception as to what performance is acceptable


As always, your money, your choice.

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