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There isn't any 2500 that can pull 16,000 pounds without being grossly overloaded, so what could happen if there was a hypothetical way to load the truck in that manner does not matter.

A 16,000 lb 5th wheel is going to have enough pin weight to bust the GVWR on the 2500 truck before you even get inside.


Yep, too much weight for many 3500 SRW too.
I'd put that much trailer squarly in dually territory.


Well that GM 2500 has a GVWR of 11,300# or so, the trailer is a GN horse trailer, with all the weight placed over or slightly behind the trailer axles. Both for this and the Ike test they were within GVWR.


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For all their foibles I wouldn’t think TFL tests vehicles beyond oem ratings.

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Resale is worth literally thousands of dollars over the gasser so the Diesel pays for it's self on the back end.


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A diesel pays for itself in performance, dependability, better mileage, and value and lack of depreciation. The only downside is it costs more to purchase. They pay for themselves several times over and they are hard to wear out.

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twodownzero wrote:

There isn't any 2500 that can pull 16,000 pounds without being grossly overloaded, so what could happen if there was a hypothetical way to load the truck in that manner does not matter.

A 16,000 lb 5th wheel is going to have enough pin weight to bust the GVWR on the 2500 truck before you even get inside.


tdz, chief of the weight police department, good to see ya back buddy.
Just wanted to say, you’re fos in your assertion that “any 2500” will be “grossly overloaded” towing 16lkbs.
Do you guys get kickbacks from the UAW, if the number of dually trucks sold rises?


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Folks can justify a purchase decision however they see fit.

When resell is worth more on the "back end" that's only because you paid more on the "front end". You only recoup a percentage of that front end premium if you're lucky. Heck yes a gasser is going to be worth less on the back end because it was worth less on the front end. A diesel is not gaining anything at all, its not appreciating. People tend to believe forum bull if that's what makes them happy

Having and having had more than a few diesel trucks expecting some type of windfall at resell or trade had nothing to do with the decision to buy them.

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Resale is worth literally thousands of dollars over the gasser so the Diesel pays for it's self on the back end.

Not if you ask Valhalla360. Used diesels bring little to no premium over gassers in the 10+ year old range. But maybe he’s a 6.0 Powerstroker. Those piles of dung can be had cheap!

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It is important to look at the diesel resale as a percentage of purchase price, it keeps things more real. Same as the gas option. Another way is to look at it is by comparing them by a cost per mile. When you combine the two you can get a better idea of where the money is (if that is important to you). If you pull at the upper end of the trucks capacity the less the dollars matter and the gas trucks are not an option any way. My personal experience is the gas HD trucks I have had did well for me on trade in on a cost per mile basis at trade in. I was happy. The numbers are always in a state of flux, the region of the country your in, the economy, how the trade-in is loaded are all factors. However as the gas options become more capable, they give the buyer more options and that is good. There is more overlap in the area that either engine option will work then there has ever been. We can argue about which is better, at the end of the day, all that matters is that there are legit choices to pull with.


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Folks can justify a purchase decision however they see fit.

When resell is worth more on the "back end" that's only because you paid more on the "front end". You only recoup a percentage of that front end premium if you're lucky. Heck yes a gasser is going to be worth less on the back end because it was worth less on the front end. A diesel is not gaining anything at all, its not appreciating. People tend to believe forum bull if that's what makes them happy

Having and having had more than a few diesel trucks expecting some type of windfall at resell or trade had nothing to do with the decision to buy them.


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WVcampground wrote:

Folks can justify a purchase decision however they see fit.

When resell is worth more on the "back end" that's only because you paid more on the "front end". You only recoup a percentage of that front end premium if you're lucky. Heck yes a gasser is going to be worth less on the back end because it was worth less on the front end. A diesel is not gaining anything at all, its not appreciating. People tend to believe forum bull if that's what makes them happy

Having and having had more than a few diesel trucks expecting some type of windfall at resell or trade had nothing to do with the decision to buy them.


I don't think anyone said diesel is gaining value. All that we are saying is when someone tries to calculate the costs of owning diesel they forget you will get a large majority of the cost back. Probably 70-80% or even more of the initial money spent on the diesel option. Spend 10k for the diesel you get 7-8k back on resale for example.

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