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I have had 3 trucks with 4 campers over the last 25 years. None of them were under GVWR. All of them were under Axle, wheel and tire ratings. GVWR is a licensing moniker. Most trucks could be stickered for a lot more based on the components used but registration classifications would push it into the next class and increase licensing and insurance costs. That's why the big three all have the same numbers. Not because they are miraculously exactly the same but because of licensing limits.


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“Most trucks could be stickered for a lot more based on the components used but registration classifications would push it into the next class and increase licensing and insurance costs. That's why the big three all have the same numbers. Not because they are miraculously exactly the same but because of licensing limits.“

The Gospel truth! However, less you can prove it...which you can’t...not even from one manufacturer...your opinion isn’t worth a bucket of spit.

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And you’re gonna be a lot happier with a Dually!

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Lwiddis wrote:

The sticker is theTRUE payload. The ONLY number backed up by the manufacturer. Find a new dealer.

Which sticker?
The one made by lawyers and listing taxable GVWR, where we all cheat on taxes?
Or the axle rating, given by manufacturer's engineers?





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When you’ve been “stickered,” KAY, that’s your number. Ever hear of an “exit clause?” As in liability? As in warranty? You may, but I don’t, cheat on taxes, Kay.

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Woohooo, the rvnut weight cops are out in full force with attitude!
Way to go boys! We’re into the dually thing and you’ll be hung at sunrise with a new rope if you disobey the sticker! On page 1 no less.
To the OP, there are volumes of discussions on this forum on this exact topic. Plenty to form your own opinion and plan of action.
Good luck buddy......and that salesman was also full of ____. Not because your truck isn’t likely far more capable than the mighty sticker, but because the front axle weight rating plays very very little into most axle weight equations as it’s rare that a truck camper adds a significant amount of weight to the front axle. Really only happens with short bed capable campers on long bed trucks. And even then it’s situationally dependent on how it’s loaded.


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OP, once you get all this payload stuff worked out to your satisfaction, you're going to go through the same thing trying to determine the true empty/loaded weight of any future camper.

Many recommend adding 1,000 lbs. to the "empty" weight of your camper to arrive at an approx. loaded weight. That's reasonable. However, good luck finding out the true empty weight prior to purchase. I've witnessed a few campers visit a CAT scale over the last year or two. Got to say I was mortified with some of the numbers. Not at all what I expected based on the manufacturer's empty weight claims---even those manufacturers that supposedly weigh their campers individually off the assembly line are suspect.

A lot of smoking mirrors out there. Good luck.

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I weighted my truck on a CAT Scale and subtracted it from the truck's GVW rating.

It came out that my cargo capacity was 2920 lbs. My camper weighed 2921 lbs.

I was over loaded. [emoticon] And as a result all four tires blew out, both front and rear axles busted and my brakes couldn't stop the truck when everything gave out and I crashed and totaled my truck and camper. [emoticon]


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to the original poster. The published payload also takes into consideration 1 person in every seat (don't know the formula for what weight per person) plus anything else you could carry. PLUS tong weight if towing anything.

But if you were to get weighed by DOT, they use your GVWR as your max weight loaded (also including tong weight on your truck, but not trailer weight)


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