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stevennlv wrote:

Pretty much anything north of Boise along the rivers in the summer time is gorgeous.
Burley along the Snake is (was) one of my favorites.

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"More campers than parks"

We still working 40 and I do 90% of my booking in January, now except for the reservations I know I need to book a year in advance, some of which I have had hrs, minutes or seconds to book a popular campground in a preferred location, and yeah the last 5 yrs it seems to be getting worse... good for business for the rv parks/campgrounds I guess.

Were not set up for boondocking, doesn't make sense for us, especially with us still working and our present "bridge" RV [emoticon]

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Lightning55 wrote:

This year we have only been out in the 5th wheel 2-3 times because we can't find any places to go that haven't been sold out on the weekends. Northern CA State parks, especially on or near the coast seem to be booked solid, even this late in the year. Going east into the foothills or Sierras isn't much better.


It's probably people all running away from the fires you have there...

Just a thought...

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I think it might have to do the fact that a lot more people are becoming full-timers. A lot of us have never recovered fully from the great recession. That's a big part of why I became a full timer. I live in a mid-range nice park. It has good amenities and is extremely well maintained. It's not high scale or upend, it's mid-range priced. I've been living here about a year. I think we have about 150 spaces. I have not counted but if I had to take a guess I would say roughly 110 of those are long-term full-time residents. I know we have a waiting list for the month leases that's a year long. We have so many long-term families in here that we actually have a school bus stop inside the park.

I was looking at maybe relocating. I was spitballing a few ideas on job markets and doing some research. I looked at several different cities in a few different states in the northwest. The parks that appear to be similar to what I'm in now had waiting lists for month leases that ran anywhere from 18 to 24 months.

A couple of years ago I was up in Boise. I stayed in a mid to lower end park at the time. It was by far not the worst I've seen but nowhere near as nice as what I have now and significantly cheaper than what I have now. It was not a meth lab / biker kind of place, which I have seen. But it was definitely full of a lot of older trashy units and folks on hard times. Even that park now has a two-year waiting list.

My personal opinion is that a lot of people are finally starting to figure out that modern homes are not worth it especially in uncertain economic times. I did construction when I was young. Most stuff built before the 50s or 60s (before my time) in this country was built with durability in mind. I've got a buddy that's a contractor now. He tells me that modern houses are basically just slapped together and are only designed to last 30 years, basically the life of the mortgage. And as soon as you pay it off it's a falling apart piece of junk and you need another one. One example I love, when I was a kid stucco was done with metal lath and a mixture not dissimilar from concrete in texture and "heaviness". Now so-called stucco is thin-crete sprayed over styrofoam and chicken wire.

Unless you go all high scale / up end your average track home now is built with no more quality than your average RV. And while both are going to fall apart an RV cost a lot less and if taken care of might even actually last as long as the 30-year house. Even if it doesn't I can buy an RV every 10 years for 30 years and still come nowhere near the price of house that is designed to only last 30 years.

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You need to look harder.


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If you stick with CA state parks, you're going to have trouble. Instead look at COE and BOR camprounds in the foothills. I can always find a campsite this time of year at those campgrounds.

As for the coast, it's always going to be tough to get a spot regardless of time of year.


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don't plan on driving into a campground in Oregon in the summer without res. there are dry camping areas if you know where to look.
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Go from Sunday to Thursday. Easier to get reservations and fewer people. We do it most of the time.

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RGar974417 wrote:

Go from Sunday to Thursday. Easier to get reservations and fewer people. We do it most of the time.


Not sure if you are retired yet, or not but .. Going on those days while working is not an option depending on your work schedule.

I stay at a State Park down in Delaware, we already have our Memorial Day. July 4th , and labor day trips booked for 2020...


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stevennlv wrote:

I think it might have to do the fact that a lot more people are becoming full-timers. A lot of us have never recovered fully from the great recession. That's a big part of why I became a full timer. I live in a mid-range nice park. It has good amenities and is extremely well maintained. It's not high scale or upend, it's mid-range priced. I've been living here about a year. I think we have about 150 spaces. I have not counted but if I had to take a guess I would say roughly 110 of those are long-term full-time residents. I know we have a waiting list for the month leases that's a year long. We have so many long-term families in here that we actually have a school bus stop inside the park.

I was looking at maybe relocating. I was spitballing a few ideas on job markets and doing some research. I looked at several different cities in a few different states in the northwest. The parks that appear to be similar to what I'm in now had waiting lists for month leases that ran anywhere from 18 to 24 months.

A couple of years ago I was up in Boise. I stayed in a mid to lower end park at the time. It was by far not the worst I've seen but nowhere near as nice as what I have now and significantly cheaper than what I have now. It was not a meth lab / biker kind of place, which I have seen. But it was definitely full of a lot of older trashy units and folks on hard times. Even that park now has a two-year waiting list.

My personal opinion is that a lot of people are finally starting to figure out that modern homes are not worth it especially in uncertain economic times. I did construction when I was young. Most stuff built before the 50s or 60s (before my time) in this country was built with durability in mind. I've got a buddy that's a contractor now. He tells me that modern houses are basically just slapped together and are only designed to last 30 years, basically the life of the mortgage. And as soon as you pay it off it's a falling apart piece of junk and you need another one. One example I love, when I was a kid stucco was done with metal lath and a mixture not dissimilar from concrete in texture and "heaviness". Now so-called stucco is thin-crete sprayed over styrofoam and chicken wire.

Unless you go all high scale / up end your average track home now is built with no more quality than your average RV. And while both are going to fall apart an RV cost a lot less and if taken care of might even actually last as long as the 30-year house. Even if it doesn't I can buy an RV every 10 years for 30 years and still come nowhere near the price of house that is designed to only last 30 years.


With all due respect, that's a whole pile of really misguided opinions. Homes are built far better than RVs, even basic new construction homes, and while many of the components certainly have finite lifetimes, with proper maintenance a home will basically last indefinitely. Home ownership is also a major driver of wealth in the US. In my own case a fairly significant percentage of our household net worth is in the form of home equity, and our current home has appreciated significantly since we bought it about 8 years ago. Show me an RV that'll do that.

As far as full time and part time camper overlap, I'm sure there's some in state parks during the summer. I don't think there are many campers in the type of parks you're describing, though.


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