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Posted: 11/02/19 03:40pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Good info, thanks all. I have a good set of steel link chains for the truck, they have been test fitted and work. Will be picking up a set of cables for the TH. I don't expect to have to use them, and if it gets bad, and I do chain up, I will be using my best judgement on whether to continue or find a safe place out of the way of the trajectory of those unlucky folks that think 4x4 will save them. I didn't mention, but I do have some experience in the snow, drove the ski bus for years, and we would chain that up at the first place available when required.

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Posted: 11/02/19 04:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Best to hide out somewhere before getting into situation!
Then proceed when the big rigs are going with no chains.


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Posted: 11/03/19 08:21am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Edd505 wrote:

Most passes are cleared well to maintain travel, cross when clear. If chains are required find a place to park it's not a time to be driving. No reason to drive in that kind of weather, most 18 wheels park and they drive thousands of miles a month.


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Bedlam wrote:

enblethen wrote:

In Washington, a 4x4 locked in gear does not need to have chains unless the signs are out for trucks to use chains. You must carry chains! Normally you would install when required on the rear drive axle and on the last braking axle of trailer.
https://www.wsdot.com/winter/tires-chains.htm

If your vehicle is over 10k lbs GVWR or you are towing, you must chain up in WA even if you have 4wd anytime chain controls are posted.

Typically a single drag chain on the trailer can be mounted on any wheel of any axle that has brakes. If your trailer does not have brakes, you must still mount a set of chains/cables to one wheel.


My experience would be that a single drag chain on the trailer does not actually meet Revised Code of Washington(RCW) upon a liberal interpretation. Many WSP officers are too busy when weather is poor to strictly enforce this issue. However, get into an accident and or get stuck -the ticket will be painful along with increasing your "at fault" risk...

Also, remember that as soon as you connect any trailer to a vehicle per RCW -you are subject to being considered a "Truck" for many driving situations including speed limit and snow chains.

A tip on the trailer -make sure your electric brake wiring is fastened down properly and the splices are weather tight. WSDOT uses lots of brine water and mag chloride for deicer -this stuff reeks havoc on electric connections. Make sure the chain/cable tails are cut back as much as possible to minimize damage to the trailer.

2nd tip. make sure your brake controller is set to lead the truck slightly for the best control.

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Posted: 11/06/19 03:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I have always used this WAC: https://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=204-24-050

I have not found a RCW covering tire chain use (only studs). Do you have additional links?


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Freeway Flyer 05 wrote:

Years ago, I hauled a 26' bumper pull TT with a 1500 4x4 Suburban up to the ski area every weekend. Never had to chain up or set a drag chain. Now, I am preparing to haul my bumper pull TH with my 4x4 diesel Dodge over 2 passes. Question is, on the truck, do I chain the front or rear axle while towing?
Primary drive axle first.


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Here is one link to law.
WAC for chains
WACs clarifies what is in RCWs.
RCW 46.37 would be the starting place. RCW 47.36.250

* This post was edited 11/06/19 04:20pm by enblethen *

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Bedlam wrote:

I have always used this WAC: https://apps.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=204-24-050

I have not found a RCW covering tire chain use (only studs). Do you have additional links?


Citations for these type of infractions reference RCW on the citation. WAC is the administrative code.

hint -traction devices not chains

a easy starting point is 47.36.250 but make sure you read all the "dispositions". Also, WSP under WAC has wide latitude to internally set rules policies and procedure to enforce RCW. Statements like this in an RCW means WSP has that latitude for the statue: "The Washington state patrol or the department may specify different recommendations or requirements for four wheel drive vehicles in gear."
https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.36.250

Remember that reading RCW and WAC is not simple. The starting point is always "an liberal interpretation" unless statue states otherwise.

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Freeway Flyer 05 wrote:

Good info, thanks all. I have a good set of steel link chains for the truck, they have been test fitted and work. Will be picking up a set of cables for the TH. I don't expect to have to use them, and if it gets bad, and I do chain up, I will be using my best judgement on whether to continue or find a safe place out of the way of the trajectory of those unlucky folks that think 4x4 will save them. I didn't mention, but I do have some experience in the snow, drove the ski bus for years, and we would chain that up at the first place available when required.


Personally would not bother with "cable" chains for the trailer. They are not durable at all. Don't need bar reinforced or anything special -just get real chains that fit properly. Install them/adjust them at least once in a low stress environment.

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snowpeke wrote:

I work on Donner summit in the winter and see RVs (but not many) going through chain control. Also most 18 wheelers do not park they chain up. As for your set up you can put good steel chains on the back wheels for better traction. Your trailer get a good set of cable chains. On Donner summit California 1-80 they won't let you through with our chains on truck and trailer. If was me I would wait out the storm!

The good majority park. If you have ever chained 4 drives and a drag chain on a trailer you know just how hard that is. That is ALL on duty time & subtracted from your driving day. Chained you might do 25-30 so being paid by the mile you also loose miles every hour. Big difference watching the trucks on Donner, Cabbage, Look out, 4th of July, Snoqualmie, or Stevens, than driving one. We won't go east they have little passes that way. I drove my own truck 10-13K a month, not a company rig and did very well. My advise to the new drivers coming into winter, drive slow enough that when you crash you can walk away from it. I was accident free and still am.


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