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fj12ryder

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Posted: 11/12/19 12:57pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"So you believe your arbitrarily contrived rights and freedoms trump everyone else's right to safety?"

Perhaps you need to reread some of our forefathers' quotes and thoughts. Here's a biggie by Benjamin Franklin:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


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JaxDad wrote:


So you believe your arbitrarily contrived rights and freedoms trump everyone else's right to safety?


Now that's taking a point a bunch too far IMHO.


What arbitrarily contrived rights and freedoms are you referring to? Do you understand the states would not ratify the Constitution unless protections for the people where not added?
When I left school test showed I could read on a 5th grade level. And with that, reading


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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.


does not say I should need to wiss in a bottle at any CMV check?

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JaxDad wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

Veebyes wrote:

Have to smile when I see all the comments trying to justify the ownership of a pickup outside of its use for RV propulsion.

Try this one out. I live in a place where car ownership is restricted to ONE car per HOUSEHOLD. No personal trucks. Further, car size is restricted what you call sub compact cars. Mine is a 2004 Toyota Yaris. About the size of a Suzuki Swift.
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I can't believe anyone would willingly give up their rights so easily. What other rights do you have to give up to live there? Do they pay you live like that? I couldn't live like that. For me. No one tells me what to drive, or do with my property, unless they start making the payments. What do you do with your RV? Can you even bring it home? Mine sits in the backyard. Exactly where I want it to be.

Its veterans day. a day to honor those who died to protect our rights, and many of todays people just give their rights up. I don't understand


The price of freedom is NOT free.

So you don’t believe you should have to be searched and vetted before you get on a plane? You shouldn’t be subject to being arbitrarily stopped and possibly searched for no reason other than that you’re NEAR an international border? That no HOA should have any right to impose any restrictions? That no municipality should be allowed to pass zoning ordinances?

The list goes on & on......

Personally, me and a famous guitarist, we can’t drive 55.


I don't fly any more, and no I shouldn't be......



So you believe your arbitrarily contrived rights and freedoms trump everyone else's right to safety?


Now that's taking a point a bunch too far IMHO.


Good edit there. Because I don't fly, that trumps you right to safety???? And because I shouldn't be, and NEVER have been stopped for being close to the border. That makes you less safe?????? How? Maybe you should read it again, and mover your edit a few words over in the sentence.


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Posted: 11/12/19 04:49pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

fj12ryder wrote:

"So you believe your arbitrarily contrived rights and freedoms trump everyone else's right to safety?"

Perhaps you need to reread some of our forefathers' quotes and thoughts. Here's a biggie by Benjamin Franklin:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."


I read it just fine the first few times.

“ESSENTIAL liberty” is what the gentleman said, not “EVERY liberty”.

There’s a really big difference.

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Terryallan wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

Terryallan wrote:

Veebyes wrote:

Have to smile when I see all the comments trying to justify the ownership of a pickup outside of its use for RV propulsion.

Try this one out. I live in a place where car ownership is restricted to ONE car per HOUSEHOLD. No personal trucks. Further, car size is restricted what you call sub compact cars. Mine is a 2004 Toyota Yaris. About the size of a Suzuki Swift.
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I can't believe anyone would willingly give up their rights so easily. What other rights do you have to give up to live there? Do they pay you live like that? I couldn't live like that. For me. No one tells me what to drive, or do with my property, unless they start making the payments. What do you do with your RV? Can you even bring it home? Mine sits in the backyard. Exactly where I want it to be.

Its veterans day. a day to honor those who died to protect our rights, and many of todays people just give their rights up. I don't understand


The price of freedom is NOT free.

So you don’t believe you should have to be searched and vetted before you get on a plane? You shouldn’t be subject to being arbitrarily stopped and possibly searched for no reason other than that you’re NEAR an international border? That no HOA should have any right to impose any restrictions? That no municipality should be allowed to pass zoning ordinances?

The list goes on & on......

Personally, me and a famous guitarist, we can’t drive 55.


I don't fly any more, and no I shouldn't be......



So you believe your arbitrarily contrived rights and freedoms trump everyone else's right to safety?


Now that's taking a point a bunch too far IMHO.


Good edit there. Because I don't fly, that trumps you right to safety???? And because I shouldn't be, and NEVER have been stopped for being close to the border. That makes you less safe?????? How? Maybe you should read it again, and mover your edit a few words over in the sentence.


My apologies sir, I did err.

My point remains unchanged however, in fact the ‘I can’t drive 55’ comment was lost lost you. It doesn’t matter if the speed limit is 55 or 75, it restricts MY FREEDOM to drive at the speed I want to go.

Why?

Because it’s for the greater good of society.

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This kinda went off the rails

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Posted: 11/12/19 07:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

philh wrote:

This kinda went off the rails
Would that be electric rails?

Watched Top Gear tonight. They had a Nissan Leaf and a Peugeot electric car. They ran out of range in a town that did not have a recharge station. They ended up pushing the car to a university for a 13 hour charge trying to make it to a beach town. They were not favorable to electric cars.

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colliehauler wrote:

philh wrote:

This kinda went off the rails
Would that be electric rails?

Watched Top Gear tonight. They had a Nissan Leaf Peugeot electric car. They ran out of range in a town that did not have a recharge station. They ended up pushing the car to a university for a 13 hour charge trying to make it to a beach town. They were not favorable to electric cars.


This kinda thing I find funny. Why would somebody start a trip without checking their software to see if there was infrastructure. People are funny...or just stupid. LOL.

And what the heck is a Nissan Leaf Peugeot electric car.

And if it was a Nissan Leaf they charge in 30 minutes at any modern DCFC.

LOL

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Posted: 11/12/19 08:02pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

colliehauler wrote:

philh wrote:

This kinda went off the rails
Would that be electric rails?

Watched Top Gear tonight. They had a Nissan Leaf Peugeot electric car. They ran out of range in a town that did not have a recharge station. They ended up pushing the car to a university for a 13 hour charge trying to make it to a beach town. They were not favorable to electric cars.
If they wanted to go to the beach they would have easily made it. Instead they feel they get higher ratings to intentionally make the vehicle fail. For some reason people actually buy into this fakery. Same old rerun from TG [emoticon]

TG has been doing this charade since the first test of the original Tesla Roadster where the vehicle was intentionally sabotaged.

Broder from the NY Times is a bit famous for the same non-sense.


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Posted: 11/12/19 08:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Reisender wrote:

colliehauler wrote:

philh wrote:

This kinda went off the rails
Would that be electric rails?

Watched Top Gear tonight. They had a Nissan Leaf Peugeot electric car. They ran out of range in a town that did not have a recharge station. They ended up pushing the car to a university for a 13 hour charge trying to make it to a beach town. They were not favorable to electric cars.


This kinda thing I find funny. Why would somebody start a trip without checking their software to see if there was infrastructure. People are funny...or just stupid. LOL.

And what the heck is a Nissan Leaf Peugeot electric car.

And if it was a Nissan Leaf they charge in 30 minutes at any modern DCFC.

LOL
Should be a Nissan Leaf and a Peugeot electric car in Britain. I believe that was the point the town didn't have a charge station and they didn't have the battery capacity to make it to the next town 32km away that did. They tested the Lamborghini Aventador and found issue as well. It's entertainment more then anything. If you want a electric car or truck go for it. Just don't try to decide for me what I want or need.

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