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Posted: 11/29/19 10:13am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

"... provide 2000 VA for the specified 30 minutes,"

Where is that in the specs? Thanks. (It didn't say anything like that in my 3000's specs AFAIK)


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BFL13 wrote:

"... provide 2000 VA fIor the specified 30 minutes,"

Where is that in the specs? Thanks. (It didn't say anything like that in my 3000's specs AFAIK)
It's not in the official spec sheet, just like "watts" isn't. In my manual in the "AC applications" section it says:
"Limit operation requiring maximum power to 30 minutes. Maximum power is: 2,000 VA."

The eu3000i manual I have has a similar statement for 3.0 kVA for 30 minutes.


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Posted: 11/29/19 02:12pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Thanks! So that solves that part of it. I don't know what elevation Mr Wiz is at.

Still a mystery about his various readings. IMO at least do a calibration check on the meters cross-checking with other meters. Also could confirm readings match the known wattages of the appliances. Beats me.

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No mix up between the Honda pictures and the champ pictures
In most of the Honda pictures you can see the tester on the floor and the end edge of the champ

In many of the champ pictures you can clearly see the champ behind the tester, outside on concrete


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Just as a point of reference, my Honda 2200 has no issue pumping out all 90 amps using my Iota 90 amp charger. Verified using a Victron bmv712 battery monitor on my AGM batteries. It is not running at 100 percent, either.

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odenwell wrote:

Just as a point of reference, my Honda 2200 has no issue pumping out all 90 amps using my Iota 90 amp charger. Verified using a Victron bmv712 battery monitor on my AGM batteries. It is not running at 100 percent, either.


Do you have the 90 or the 90-X ? I see a typo in the 90-X where they said 30 where they meant a 20a receptacle.

https://www.solar-electric.com/lib/wind-sun/DLS-90-specs.pdf

I think it means the 90 and 90-X do not have PF correction, so expect 0.7PF.

The Honda 2200 is rated for 1800VA continuous vs 1600 for the 2000

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I have the dls90, not the X, along with the AGM smart charging module. At the time of purchase, the X version was not in stock anywhere. Not sure if that had changed or what the advantage of it is.

* This post was edited 12/03/19 09:53am by odenwell *

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That link says what the X does somewhat. The regular 90's specs are given there too, but are not very clear. That 2200 is more of a gen than the 2000 for sure, and it must also do more than its rating.

DLS 90 specs say 21.8a x 108v so that's 2354w but no mention of the 0.7 PF it has. Of course the Honda will be more like 123v doing the 90, which muddifies things. How can the 2200 do 21.8 amps?? Same power 2354/123v = 19 amps. 2200/120 = 18 amps, 1800/120 = 15 amps

EDIT--2200 has receptacles marked 15A but have the slot to take 20A plug. (I haven't read the manual where it probably explains that)

Output of the 90 is 1200w it says, but at 14.6v DC (battery voltage) that would be 1200/14.6 = 82 amps

Doing it backwards, output at 90 amps with battery at 14.6v = 1314w.
85% efficiency makes input 1546w, PF 0.7 makes that 2208VA, so the 2200 gen at 123v would be at 17.9 amps.

As usual with the converter specs you see, they don't help much. They normally understate the input requirement for the generator to supply by not mentioning VA and PF, but just the "watts" as though PF were 1.0

You do need a 20A circuit to run that 90 amper with its 0.7 PF. Same with the PD 80 amper. The PowerMax 100 amper (but not the 75 amper despite some ads that say it does) has PF-correction so it can have its 15a plug, but it is borderline for a 20A plug depending on if it will be continually run or just temporary by some NEC rule it seems. ISTR you can order it with whichever plug you want.

Newer USA RVs have all 20a branch circuits with 12AWG wire so at least you are good there. Older RVs with 15a branches not so much.

Note the new IQ4s you can get now with different charging profiles to suit your battery type. (like yours for the AGMs) There is also a special IQ4-X for the X models.

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