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I don't visit NP's but once evey few years if lucky. For me anyway I could care less if I get a discount at NP's. I bought my SP when it was $10 or $20.
We mainly use it when camping at Forest Service type CG's. It gives us a 50% discount. I also take advantage of some CG's that offer a discount for being over 62 or higher. Why not? All this BS about I'm too good to need a discount is ridiculous. If they didn't want you to take a discount then they wouldn't offer it to you.
As far ass the Gov reducing the times for discounts, I have no problem with that either. Everything's more expensive every year so more revenue is needed for maintenance.
I look at it this way. Your work place offers gives you a bonus at the end of the year. You complain that it's too small. Fact is they don't have to give you one period.
Same with the SP. Be lucky you get what you get.

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riven1950 wrote:

I think I paid 10.00 for mine but 80.00 would still have been a bargain. We haven't been to many NP but have saved more than the cost just in COE sites. Wish I could get a 80.00 pass for Disney world or Universal Studio, although it would likely be 80.00 a day [emoticon]


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OP your first mistake is reading anything from AARP.


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I paid $10 for mine and have used it a few times. A senior pass is the same as senior pricing at some movies and restaurants. I think it is an effort to give back a little to a generation who has paid into many programs over the years.

The new administration, yes this one, upped the fee from $10 to $80 and I agree it still is a bargain if you use it. We are heading toward a place where the wealthy can afford it so the rest of us will be staying home. It used to be camping and seeing the national parks was something everyone could do. Tents are being replaced by motor homes just like housing tracts are being replaced by gated communities. I suppose when you run a trillion dollar dept you have to look for places to cut back. Setting up a fair system of taxation is pretty tough to do, no doubt, but squeezing the little guy has always been easy.


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The new administration, yes this one, upped the fee from $10 to $80 and I agree it still is a bargain if you use it. We are heading toward a place where the wealthy can afford it so the rest of us will be staying home. It used to be camping and seeing the national parks was something everyone could do. Tents are being replaced by motor homes just like housing tracts are being replaced by gated communities. I suppose when you run a trillion dollar dept you have to look for places to cut back. Setting up a fair system of taxation is pretty tough to do, no doubt, but squeezing the little guy has always been easy.


The fee increase was mandated by Congress as part of December 2016 legislation to raise money to pay for park projects and visitor services. That legislation requires the price of the lifetime Senior Pass to be the same as the Interagency Annual Pass, which is currently $80 for one year, according to a NPS press release.





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This has been discussed hundreds of times, but the reasoning never changes.

Senior pass allows fixed-budget retirees to camp more often, especially in the off-seasons when the parks are not full. Due to that financial fact, seniors spend more money annually in the parks and in the out-of-park local service areas, like shopping, fuel, other stuff. I'd bet most seniors do not enter or camp during the summers or busy seasons, and least we don't because of the crowds and traffic - and because we can go other times.

That's beside the fact seniors paid taxes for fifty years or more building the parks and protecting the wilderness. Seniors have earned a little respect, and the discount. Same issue with veterans.

If you disagree with the discount policy, don't use it. BUT, leave the discount in place for those seniors less fortunate.


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Seems like most are in favor of this kind of thing as long as it doesn't affect themselves.


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I can not say nice things about our current government. I've not heard that purposeful but I do not doubt it.

Don't restrict this to "our current government." When the previous administration had a shut-down, the President directed that all parks be closed, even those without gates or rangers. They actually roped off portions of DC on NPS land. There is video of that instruction. He said he wanted to make it hurt to make a point.


I wish not to get in a highly political discussion here so I won't.. The most political I will get is what I said above.

The only reason for restricting to our "Current" administration is because it IS our current administration. Past events are history and I do not know what will happen once the current administration is out of power. So I commenting on past.. waste of time and future is unknown.
I do agree with several add-on suggestions to my post however. (Nuff said there, nothing to discuss when you all agree)

Are we getting ripped off YES.


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Well I got my senior pass about 2005 in Montana at no charge. I have used it a number of times. Seem to me it is a good perk for seniors . .. jim2007


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Lynnmor wrote:

aftermath wrote:



The new administration, yes this one, upped the fee from $10 to $80 and I agree it still is a bargain if you use it. We are heading toward a place where the wealthy can afford it so the rest of us will be staying home. It used to be camping and seeing the national parks was something everyone could do. Tents are being replaced by motor homes just like housing tracts are being replaced by gated communities. I suppose when you run a trillion dollar dept you have to look for places to cut back. Setting up a fair system of taxation is pretty tough to do, no doubt, but squeezing the little guy has always been easy.


The fee increase was mandated by Congress as part of December 2016 legislation to raise money to pay for park projects and visitor services. That legislation requires the price of the lifetime Senior Pass to be the same as the Interagency Annual Pass, which is currently $80 for one year, according to a NPS press release.
Since the 2016 congressional session ended before the current executive branch of government went into office it appears the vitriol directed at the current administration is in error. What it does point out is one of the broken points of our current political system, voting in laws where the potentially negative impacts only come into effect after the politicians that approved them have left office.
And for what it is worth, what I have heard is the effects will only be on things like discounted camping. Admission to the parks will still be at no charge for owners of lifetime passes.

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