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Posted: 12/27/19 02:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I'm looking at the technical specs of the 2020 Super Duty and found the F450 4x4 has a curb weight of 8,587 lbs which is 855 lbs more than the F350 SRW crew cab long box with the 6.7 Powerstroke. The SRW long box crew cab can be equipped to have a gvwr of 12,400 lbs. The F450 has a GVWR of 14,000 lbs. The payload of the F450 appears to be only 745 lbs more than that of a SRW F350 crew cab long box.


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There is a post on a Ford diesel forum from a guy who just got his loaded 2020 Lariat CCLB, single rear wheel with the 6.7 and 12,400 GVWR. He posted a picture of his payload sticker and it is 4561 pounds. My 17 King Ranch dual which I sold last month was a little over 5300. My new truck will be here in the next couple of days and I'm anxious to what its sticker has to say. That Lariat has the snow plow package, moon roof, FX4 off road package and power take off, all things I won't have on my Platinum.

There was another guy who just got his 2020 F450 Limited. He posted a picture of his sticker and his payload is 4743, 182 pounds more than that single rear wheel F350 Lariat. Can't wait to see the comments on that one.


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Posted: 12/27/19 07:23am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

How do the axle ratings compare? Payload ratings tend to not mean much in a lot of cases. This is probably one of those cases.


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Ford chose to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR yet has the F450 chassis cab up to 16.5k lbs. Because the F450 pickup uses heavier duty components than the F350 DRW pickup, you may actually see less payload available due to the cap that Ford put on it. I see it strictly as marketing choice rather than the actual capacity of this truck.


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Ford chose to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR yet has the F450 chassis cab up to 16.5k lbs. Because the F450 pickup uses heavier duty components than the F350 DRW pickup, you may actually see less payload available due to the cap that Ford put on it. I see it strictly as marketing choice rather than the actual capacity of this truck.


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So many states will list any truck with a GVWR greater than 14,000# as commercial with much higher registration fees and higher insurance rates.
That F450 is far more capable than the F350 SRW, anyone should be able to figure that out.


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I had a brain fart coming home this morning while driving about going back to a SRW 1 ton. So I looked up Ford's '20 towing ratings and given what our coach weighs w/o people in cab, I'd be right at or darn near the limits again for a SRW truck. Not saying it couldn't handle it (tow), but not a whole lot of room left for extras let alone the stability of the DRW we have now. Sadly, I admit the DRW sux in the snow, but back pocket won't allow for a SRW truck at same time w/ the DRW. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, staying w/ the DRW.


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IdaD wrote:

How do the axle ratings compare? Payload ratings tend to not mean much in a lot of cases. This is probably one of those cases.


Payload stickers are a better fit for 1/2T pickups, SUVs, vehicles with lesser axle ratings. With these types, when you are near the GVWR, your axle/tire limits are close, and can be over, depending how loaded.

Ford has played the GVWR game for HD pickups for many years.

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rhagfo wrote:

Bedlam wrote:

Ford chose to limit the F450 pickup to 14K lbs GVWR yet has the F450 chassis cab up to 16.5k lbs. Because the F450 pickup uses heavier duty components than the F350 DRW pickup, you may actually see less payload available due to the cap that Ford put on it. I see it strictly as marketing choice rather than the actual capacity of this truck.


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So many states will list any truck with a GVWR greater than 14,000# as commercial with much higher registration fees and higher insurance rates.
That F450 is far more capable than the F350 SRW, anyone should be able to figure that out.


With the SRW trucks they offer a 10,000 lb GVWR option which consists of a different door post sticker to get around some of those registration laws.

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4x4ord wrote:

I'm looking at the technical specs of the 2020 Super Duty and found the F450 4x4 has a curb weight of 8,587 lbs which is 855 lbs more than the F350 SRW crew cab long box with the 6.7 Powerstroke. The SRW long box crew cab can be equipped to have a gvwr of 12,400 lbs. The F450 has a GVWR of 14,000 lbs. The payload of the F450 appears to be only 745 lbs more than that of a SRW F350 crew cab long box.


YEP but that is "IF" you "BLINDLY" go by the 14k GVWR that is restricted to Class3 by licensing and Insurance.

Simply look at the RAWR of each. License your truck to what it actually carries and carry on.

FACT, my 15 RAM DRW has a GVWR of 14k. My SAE RAWR is 9,750#. My Factory front axle weight is 5,250# +-. So HOW IN THE HE!! can I load my rear axle to it's RAWR and NOT be overloaded???

Folks it's it's all a numbers game! FACT is my loaded weight is well over 15k. I am perfectly "LEGAL" by licensing my truck to what it's loaded weight is. Another thing to consider is my tires have lot's of capacity even at those weights.

Bottom line, use the brain GOD gave you!


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ACZL wrote:

I had a brain fart coming home this morning while driving about going back to a SRW 1 ton. So I looked up Ford's '20 towing ratings and given what our coach weighs w/o people in cab, I'd be right at or darn near the limits again for a SRW truck. Not saying it couldn't handle it (tow), but not a whole lot of room left for extras let alone the stability of the DRW we have now. Sadly, I admit the DRW sux in the snow, but back pocket won't allow for a SRW truck at same time w/ the DRW. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, staying w/ the DRW.


Our 5ver is probably similar to yours at about 16000 lbs and our '17 SRW short box feels like a perfect match for it to me. I probably will skip the SRW long box and go duals if we ever get a 5ver much heavier. I tow a 25 - 30,000 lb tandem dually goose neck from time to time with my SRW as well ... it handles it ok but a dually would certainly be better.

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