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librty02

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I never said your cost analysis was incorrect nor did I even comment on it because I have not even taken the time to look at them yet so I am not sure why you are even bringing me into that. However, since you did, some of the numbers seem to be a exaggerated.

Going by real world fuelly mileage (which is 11 mpg for the 6.2 SRW and 14.5 for the 6.7L SRW), the 6.2L would use 5,455 gallons of fuel and the 6.7L would use 4,138 gallons in 60k miles. At the prices you stated(which are winter prices when the difference is greater) the fuel cost for the 6.2L $14,672.73 and $13,613.79 for the 6.7L. DEF usage would be about 83 gallons in 60k miles based on the standard 50 to 1 diesel gallon usage of most light duty truck diesels. At $2.90 a gallon at the pumps, that is an additional $240.70. So that would bring the diesels total fuel/DEF bill to $13,854.49 which is still less than the $14,672.73 pf the 6.2L. Although I will point out again that this is winter prices when gas is lower because refiners do not have add the special EPA mandated additives which make it cost about $.10-.15 more during the summer.

What I was commenting on was someone saying that the resale value between a diesel and a gas version of a 15 year old truck with 75k miles would not be significant. I checked for myself and the difference was over $4k which would mostly pay for the upfront cost of a diesel back in 2005.


I never stated that you directly stated my cost analysis was incorrect...What I said above was more of a question...what I meant was that you state that you will always come out ahead with a diesel and that simply is not true in all cases and that is the BS I'm talking about...always thinking we have that blanket answer for everyone everywhere

Those are not just winter prices for fuel in my area. Those are winter prices at this moment and YES diesel fuel is ALWAYS more expensive where I live it is ALWAYS at least .70 cent per gallon more than gasoline and rises here in the summer months to almost a entire dollar more per gallon than gasoline... Heck I've seen in the past 3 years a difference of $1.20 per gallon more in the summer months...its crazy

If I go by your fuel prices you stated above it would still cost me $4000 more to own that diesel over that 5 year period....BUT that $4k does not include maintenance costs either which will be higher for a diesel than a gasoline motor everyday.

AND the trade in values I gave are for the MODERN Diesel a 2015 VS 2015...which someone else stated would be a bigger difference with the modern diesels compared to the ones over a decade ago.

I would NEVER argue a gas truck is more powerful than a diesel we all know that is not true. A diesel does shine for sure but for me where I live it would be at a $4000 cost over those 5 years of ownership.

The thing is some people must ALWAYS be right...it's either their way or no way and there just isn't one answer for everyone's needs. I'm correct in saying that a diesel would cost me 4k more where I live yes....but where you are it may be the opposite and be 4k more for the gas in the end...

Would I get the diesel over the gas for 4k yes but that is me 4k will not break my bank but for some it may


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Never ending argument and you folks will have even more to argue over very soon...

Compression ignition gassers are here for cars...and think soon for our trucks

Diesel will still rule, but the MPG differential is much less

I've never owned a vehicle based in part due to resale value. Get my money's worth and sell it when don't want to or can't fix it anyone. Most happy not having payments, but do make payments into a bank account for my next vehicle


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I just did some quick math and figured if I were willing to drive a 15 year old depreciated out truck and trade it for another 15 year old depreciated out old truck every few years and if I invest the money I save wisely I might be able to accumulate another $500,000 by the time I drop dead in 30 years. I think I'm going to trade my 2017 in on a new 2020 sometime over the next year..... probably get a diesel.


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I never stated that you directly stated my cost analysis was incorrect...What I said above was more of a question...what I meant was that you state that you will always come out ahead with a diesel and that simply is not true in all cases and that is the BS I'm talking about...always thinking we have that blanket answer for everyone everywhere

Those are not just winter prices for fuel in my area. Those are winter prices at this moment and YES diesel fuel is ALWAYS more expensive where I live it is ALWAYS at least .70 cent per gallon more than gasoline and rises here in the summer months to almost a entire dollar more per gallon than gasoline... Heck I've seen in the past 3 years a difference of $1.20 per gallon more in the summer months...its crazy

If I go by your fuel prices you stated above it would still cost me $4000 more to own that diesel over that 5 year period....BUT that $4k does not include maintenance costs either which will be higher for a diesel than a gasoline motor everyday.

AND the trade in values I gave are for the MODERN Diesel a 2015 VS 2015...which someone else stated would be a bigger difference with the modern diesels compared to the ones over a decade ago.

I would NEVER argue a gas truck is more powerful than a diesel we all know that is not true. A diesel does shine for sure but for me where I live it would be at a $4000 cost over those 5 years of ownership.

The thing is some people must ALWAYS be right...it's either their way or no way and there just isn't one answer for everyone's needs. I'm correct in saying that a diesel would cost me 4k more where I live yes....but where you are it may be the opposite and be 4k more for the gas in the end...

Would I get the diesel over the gas for 4k yes but that is me 4k will not break my bank but for some it may


I never said everyone comes out ahead buying a diesel. In fact I have stated multiple times that the prices of fuel, resale, interests rates, and other things will vary depending on your location. I have also stated that many may find that the gas engine may come out to be a few thousand cheaper depending on where you live. My comment was toward those who have never done a cost analysis or say things like there is no difference in resale after 15 year without actually verifying it. If you have done the analysis and found out that the diesel may cost you a few thousand more and aren't willing to pay a few thousand over the course of five years for the added power and capability then my comment was NOT directed toward you. It was directed at those who do say these things without actually knowing for a fact. Those people are the ones talking BS.

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It' probably time for a group hug.

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If the god **** engine shuts off on its own, I'm not interested. Unless there is a start/stop defeat.

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I’m with you diginomad

I think I’m getting this for my wife’s expedition:

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4x4ord wrote:

I just did some quick math and figured if I were willing to drive a 15 year old depreciated out truck and trade it for another 15 year old depreciated out old truck every few years and if I invest the money I save wisely I might be able to accumulate another $500,000 by the time I drop dead in 30 years. I think I'm going to trade my 2017 in on a new 2020 sometime over the next year..... probably get a diesel.


Bingo! ^
That's how I helped jump start my finances as a kid, and still do better than alot of folks extracting the most out of the value of a vehicle. But now having less time to tinker and more $ available, combined with the reasons below, it doesn't happen much anymore.
It's much harder to do now, as the right vehicles used to command the right price and private party sale meant cheaper price, moreso than now. The internet has ruined the casual car flipper business, as around Seattle anyway, there are hundreds of (typically eastern European and Russian) car salesmen posing as private party sellers and thanks to the internet, even the most uninformed person can figure out what the "top value" is for their pos whatevermobile.


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