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Posted: 01/14/20 07:08am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We buy fuel by the tanker load and like to order it prior to when the winter blend is out in the fall and after summer fuel comes out in the spring. Consequently we need an additive to keep our fuel from gelling over winter. Seems like there's always a spell when it doesn't necessarily work so good. Last week the Peterbuilt quit on me. I guess I didnt put in enough additive. I must have used a bit more juice in the Ford as it seemed fine. Current temperature is only minus 22 F but the low over the next couple nights is forecast to drop down to minus 42 with windchills of minus 54*F. If my pickup wasn't sitting in the garage with a full tank of summer fuel I think I'd be filling it up with winter blend for the next couple days. Have you ever experienced the joys of gelled fuel at minus 40?


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What kind of engine do you have in that Peterbilt? I would wager that the aluminum fuel tanks on the Pete will transfer cold temps better than than the plastic ones in your truck. That is one reason why some of the old truckers used to have wraps for their fuel tanks.

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^^^^ Cat C15.

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Current temperature is only -22F........ Wow [emoticon]

We’ve never had a problem with our farm summer blend gelling during our Texas winters.


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4x4ord wrote:

^^^^ Cat C15.


What grade of oil are you using? The C15 has a HEUI pump which reliant on engine oil to pump unlike the common rail fuel pump in your truck. Cat recommends 5W30 or 5w40 for those temps because 15W is too thick.

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ShinerBock wrote:

4x4ord wrote:

^^^^ Cat C15.


What grade of oil are you using? The C15 has a HEUI pump which reliant on engine oil to pump unlike the common rail fuel pump in your truck. Cat recommends 5W30 or 5w40 for those temps because 15W is too thick.

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15w40 seems to work fine so long as the truck is plugged in when it cold. It's not that often the truck gets used in weather colder than minus 10 C. When the fuel gelled the engine was warmed up to 150 degrees. Changing the filters got it started again but the fuel vacuum guage continued running in the red. I didn't take it onto the road. The job I had for it can wait for warmer weather.

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Back in the day, the boss says to me, wrap the tank, put in the battery heaters, and check the coolant before taking your trip.

Coolant was easy to check: - 60, good. Battery heaters, easy enough, accessible through the cab, good. Wrap the tank? "I don't wanna, I have to crawl under the truck, I'll get dirty, it's cold waaa!"

Shoulda, woulda, coulda: Would have been much easier to put the tank wrap/heater on in a relatively warm +10 on a packed snow yard, with a nice warm shop to retreat to every so often at Los Anchorage rather than building the Rube Goldberg tent over the truck and dealing with space heaters, additives, etc for the better part of a day when the fuel gelled at -35 just outside of Glenallen.

Although my commercial truck / equipment days are long past (and they were minimal to begin with) for my diesel pickup, I'm pretty aggressive about getting winter blend as soon as available...even though it's nowhere near as critical as in times past.


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Shouldn’t you be in the south (southern US) by now?!!!!!


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The first winter I had my new '99 Ford 7.3l diesel the fuel jelled at -20 degrees as did my friend's '99. We had fueled at the same Conoco station. Both of us had our truck towed to Ford where they just put them inside for a day and they started up. I added an additive and had no further issues. I found out later from a friend in the fuel business that this particular station often bought fuel from sources outside of our area instead of the local refinery. The fuel was not winter blended. Never went there again.

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dodge guy wrote:

Shouldn’t you be in the south (southern US) by now?!!!!!


Probably..... it's about time for us to get on that program.

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