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Kayteg1

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FYI the entire truck body, not just the bed is made of aluminum. I was shocked on how light the hood was compared to my RAM.

"aluminum bed" is simplification as that what counts the most for TC use.
I have tailgate without the step and I could lift it on 1 finger.
Than you see youtube showing how carwash ripped radio antenna from aluminum fender.
So comparing my 2017 F350 to previous 2006 F350 is light years apart.





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egarant wrote:

Kayteg1 wrote:

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I pulled out the Truck Camper Specification sheet for both trucks:
2013 RAM 4,784 lbs
2021 FORD 5,071 lbs

So the FORD gains me overal 666 lbs in cargo capacity which includes 287 lbs of truck camper carrying capacity

That is due Ford switching in 2017 to aluminum beds and heat-treated frames, what saved about 500lb from truck weight.
Nothing to do with engine.
Talking about huge HP in newer engines - you can't use it if you can't cool it. Gas engines produce about twice the heat diesels do.


FYI the entire truck body, not just the bed is made of aluminum. I was shocked on how light the hood was compared to my RAM.

Yep. Ford took the weight savings from the body and put it in the chassis. Our new gasser is 600# heavier than our previous diesel. They new chassis handles the TC weight much better. The aluminum tail gate-with old man step-unfortunately is much heavier also. I dread removing it each season.


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What type of payload rating are you seeing for F350 SRW Lariat with the 7.3/ 4.30 gear combination? I’d like to get rid of my class C MH and get a non-slide TC. I really like what I read about the new Lance 960 or Cirrus 920 or AF865. All of these will push 3000 plus dry weight. Doable with the 7.3 SRW?

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Fish mojo wrote:

What type of payload rating are you seeing for F350 SRW Lariat with the 7.3/ 4.30 gear combination? I’d like to get rid of my class C MH and get a non-slide TC. I really like what I read about the new Lance 960 or Cirrus 920 or AF865. All of these will push 3000 plus dry weight. Doable with the 7.3 SRW?

Been doable with every long bed HD pickup for years. New ones aren’t magical. But they’re nicer than an old truck and generally stiffer frame. Same principles apply whether it’s a 2021 or a 2001 F350. And they’ll handle about the same.
If you’re a door tag watcher, truck campers and srw trucks aren’t for you.


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Fish mojo wrote:

What type of payload rating are you seeing for F350 SRW Lariat with the 7.3/ 4.30 gear combination? I’d like to get rid of my class C MH and get a non-slide TC. I really like what I read about the new Lance 960 or Cirrus 920 or AF865. All of these will push 3000 plus dry weight. Doable with the 7.3 SRW?


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Somewhere ~ 4500 lbs. You’ll be fine, i am running a Eagle Cap 850 which is heavier than any of the campers you listed. Truck handles it fine and is under RAWR. The new ten speeds are sweet.

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Fish mojo wrote:

What type of payload rating are you seeing for F350 SRW Lariat with the 7.3/ 4.30 gear combination? I’d like to get rid of my class C MH and get a non-slide TC. I really like what I read about the new Lance 960 or Cirrus 920 or AF865. All of these will push 3000 plus dry weight. Doable with the 7.3 SRW?


The AF-865 with normal accessories weighed out right at 4400# and not muck is known about the Lance 960 other than the Lance buyers guide had it at 4000+ and I think the Cyrus is right there also but that's a guess..Ready to camp,Any of these would probably put my DRW over GVWR loaded up with what I carry and 4600# of payload.


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Fish mojo wrote:

What type of payload rating are you seeing for F350 SRW Lariat with the 7.3/ 4.30 gear combination? I’d like to get rid of my class C MH and get a non-slide TC. I really like what I read about the new Lance 960 or Cirrus 920 or AF865. All of these will push 3000 plus dry weight. Doable with the 7.3 SRW?


Ford has all this great info, no guessing required, in this brochure, page 13 to be exact.
Truck Slide in Camper ratings


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When Ford build great trucks, they know squat about TC per my experience.
When I was ordering my dually, the camper option was offering stiffer front sway bar.
My camper was taking weight off front axle, so their offer did opposite to what should be done.
Their cargo capacity charts don't offer rear axle capacity, making them useless for TC application.
You have to do your own checking.
Don't have all the notes handy now, but my F350 Supercab dually can legally have 6400lb cargo on rear axle (and it was carrying more).
The chart above says 4600/5600 lb.

* This post was edited 02/11/21 12:11pm by Kayteg1 *

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I think Ford knows plenty. They are playing follow the leader with other manufacturers and sticking to a 14K GVWR limit even though my 2010 F450 came with a 14,500 GVWR. I think a more realistic GVWR for the newer DRW trucks is probably closer to 15K. Sure, they may have to add to the spring pack, but otherwise, I think it would be fine.


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The tires on my F350 dually give it 18,000 lb capacity.
Rear axle was derated from what I heard. so taxable 14,900lb is way below actual capabilities.
That still doesn't show their knowledge about TC use.

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