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This thread doesn’t need to go real far.
OP: get a B & W turnover ball, install in bed. Ignore the holes for the old rail system. There’s no benefit in trying to reuse them, plus you’ll eventually hate the rails. Then get a B & W Companion or Andersen Ultimate. You don’t need a slider. You don’t need to use the articulating feature of the TP pin box. Lock it out, check the fasteners from time to time. And pay attention when making tight maneuvers. The TP pin box is designed for those short bed half ton trucks. There is absolutely no good reason at all to use the TP articulating aspect on 3/4 and 1 ton short beds with newer fifth wheels. Don’t be distracted otherwise.


Oh!, come on , you'll eventually hate the rails, why. Had them for years ,and they were not an issue . I won't buy they get the road nonsense , sure they are there ,but pray tell what are they in the road of . What sliding in a sheet of plywood . Not hardly , you go in at an angle anyway ,and after the first sheet thats a done deal.

Granted if he had the puck system great, but apparently he doesn't so now you want him to blow another large hole in the bed [emoticon] . He already has the holes use them , with bedrails ,and a good hitch he is set ,and a strong four point attachment . No fan at all of gooseneck ball attached hitches , all the torquing ,and one point of attachment . Forget the Ultimate ,and go with the steel rail mount Andersen as said .


Well said 2014... and adding the turnover ball a waste, unless actually needed for a different goose neck trailer.

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cummins2014 wrote:

WTP-GC wrote:

This thread doesn’t need to go real far.
OP: get a B & W turnover ball, install in bed. Ignore the holes for the old rail system. There’s no benefit in trying to reuse them, plus you’ll eventually hate the rails. Then get a B & W Companion or Andersen Ultimate. You don’t need a slider. You don’t need to use the articulating feature of the TP pin box. Lock it out, check the fasteners from time to time. And pay attention when making tight maneuvers. The TP pin box is designed for those short bed half ton trucks. There is absolutely no good reason at all to use the TP articulating aspect on 3/4 and 1 ton short beds with newer fifth wheels. Don’t be distracted otherwise.


Oh!, come on , you'll eventually hate the rails, why. Had them for years ,and they were not an issue . I won't buy they get the road nonsense , sure they are there ,but pray tell what are they in the road of . What sliding in a sheet of plywood . Not hardly , you go in at an angle anyway ,and after the first sheet thats a done deal.

Granted if he had the puck system great, but apparently he doesn't so now you want him to blow another large hole in the bed [emoticon] . He already has the holes use them , with bedrails ,and a good hitch he is set ,and a strong four point attachment . No fan at all of gooseneck ball attached hitches , all the torquing ,and one point of attachment . Forget the Ultimate ,and go with the steel rail mount Andersen as said .

I have to disagree with you. My last pickup had rails and a sliding bar hitch (not a slider hitch). I went with the B&W turnover and Companion on this pickup and couldn't be happier. I HATED those rails every time I used my pickup as a pickup. I could never sweep out the bed, or shovel things out. Those are some things no one ever talk about when hitches are discussed.


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Well said 2014... and adding the turnover ball a waste, unless actually needed for a different goose neck trailer.

Jerry

I sat thinking my last post over for quite a while, and actually deleted what I am about to say.

As a former truck driver, if I bought a vehicle with an Anderson hitch, I wouldn't use it any farther than to get me home. No different than any sliding bar hitch.

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cummins2014 wrote:

WTP-GC wrote:

This thread doesn’t need to go real far.
OP: get a B & W turnover ball, install in bed. Ignore the holes for the old rail system. There’s no benefit in trying to reuse them, plus you’ll eventually hate the rails. Then get a B & W Companion or Andersen Ultimate. You don’t need a slider. You don’t need to use the articulating feature of the TP pin box. Lock it out, check the fasteners from time to time. And pay attention when making tight maneuvers. The TP pin box is designed for those short bed half ton trucks. There is absolutely no good reason at all to use the TP articulating aspect on 3/4 and 1 ton short beds with newer fifth wheels. Don’t be distracted otherwise.


Oh!, come on , you'll eventually hate the rails, why. Had them for years ,and they were not an issue . I won't buy they get the road nonsense , sure they are there ,but pray tell what are they in the road of . What sliding in a sheet of plywood . Not hardly , you go in at an angle anyway ,and after the first sheet thats a done deal.

Granted if he had the puck system great, but apparently he doesn't so now you want him to blow another large hole in the bed [emoticon] . He already has the holes use them , with bedrails ,and a good hitch he is set ,and a strong four point attachment . No fan at all of gooseneck ball attached hitches , all the torquing ,and one point of attachment . Forget the Ultimate ,and go with the steel rail mount Andersen as said .

I have to disagree with you. My last pickup had rails and a sliding bar hitch (not a slider hitch). I went with the B&W turnover and Companion on this pickup and couldn't be happier. I HATED those rails every time I used my pickup as a pickup. I could never sweep out the bed, or shovel things out. Those are some things no one ever talk about when hitches are discussed.




Not a problem if you disagree, but to make it an issue as far shoveling out stuff from the bed, I am sure thats a hindrance, but i'm one thats never taken a shovel to the bed of my pickup, just not what I bought it for . So to make a point that you can't shovel rocks, dirt whatever you need to shovel out of it was YOUR problem , not for some. Great you pointed it out, but to make it a real issue not sure it isn't something that can be worked around if necessary .

But to the point here, and what I was trying to make is , the OP has a set of bedrail holes drilled in his bed. sounded like a decent way to go considering. If its a B&W hitch he wants ,buy one that attaches to bedrails.

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Well said 2014... and adding the turnover ball a waste, unless actually needed for a different goose neck trailer.

Jerry

I sat thinking my last post over for quite a while, and actually deleted what I am about to say.

As a former truck driver, if I bought a vehicle with an Anderson hitch, I wouldn't use it any farther than to get me home. No different than any sliding bar hitch.



Not sure what being a former truck driver ,and the Andersen hitch has to do with anything, but truck driver or not, how many miles you put on a Andersen hitch [emoticon] . I have put a few thousand now on a rail mount steel Andersen ,so I have been a bit further then just getting home [emoticon]

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Replace/install new rails, get a standard hitch to meet your capacity and keep what's on the trailer. If you are so tight on a turn, go opposite direction slowly to straighten up and try turn again. Had a slider hitch for over 10 years. Used it once. Got new hitch w/o slider for short bed truck, no probs. Just go slow-n-easy.


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ACZL wrote:

Replace/install new rails, get a standard hitch to meet your capacity and keep what's on the trailer. If you are so tight on a turn, go opposite direction slowly to straighten up and try turn again. Had a slider hitch for over 10 years. Used it once. Got new hitch w/o slider for short bed truck, no probs. Just go slow-n-easy.


Well said, and IMO the best way to go for the OP .

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Well said 2014... and adding the turnover ball a waste, unless actually needed for a different goose neck trailer.

Jerry

I sat thinking my last post over for quite a while, and actually deleted what I am about to say.

As a former truck driver, if I bought a vehicle with an Anderson hitch, I wouldn't use it any farther than to get me home. No different than any sliding bar hitch.



Not sure what being a former truck driver ,and the Andersen hitch has to do with anything, but truck driver or not, how many miles you put on a Andersen hitch [emoticon] . I have put a few thousand now on a rail mount steel Andersen ,so I have been a bit further then just getting home [emoticon]

Well, zero miles, but a neighbor just bought a pickup with one on it, and they just don't look "right" to me. It is my personal opinion, and nothing else. The point about being a former trucker, the B&W works and acts like a hitch on a semi, so there is a comfort level there. Again, my opinion.

As to your point about shoveling rocks out of the bed, how did you know? That is exactly what got me cussing it out! LOL!

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Not a fan of the Andersen aluminum, which is probably what your neighbor had ,I'm guessing . But thats not the subject here, its the steel rail mount Andersen.

As far rocks , had to be ,that or sand or dirt. My previous truck had the bedrails, and don't remember hauling rocks, but I did haul some mulch ,and top soil. no big deal ,but I did cover the bed with a heavy tarp . It was not earth ending dealing with the bedrails .

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Rails suck. They are obsolete technology. Do they work (and work well)? Of course they do! But there’s exactly ZERO reason for anyone to go back in time in favor of obsolete technology. Plus, there’s exactly ZERO guarantee that a newly purchased rail system will match the existing holes from an old rail system. How do I know? Been there, done that.

Here’s an article warning of the same issue:
https://www.etrailer.com/question-135802.html

I’d much rather put that brand new 4” hole in the middle of my bed and get the best hitch combo option available vs. trying to maybe re-use some old holes that might not work and is regressive technology.

I’ve used an AUH aluminum and had no trouble with it. The friend I sold it to also has no trouble with it and he uses it for more than just RV towing. There’s nothing wrong with that product or the idea of a single point attachment.


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