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MFL wrote:

With a FW, staying within axle rating/tire rating is most important. Your truck will work with that FW. Worst case, you may need to add a little support to rear suspension, to level the truck. Don't use the 10K GVWR, and low payload door sticker, as the determining capability of your truck. Those numbers are just due to the truck being in the class 2 rating for registration.

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Oddly enough my door sticker does not indicate my max payload for the truck. And there is conflicting numbers about the "payload capacity" online and given weights from the dealer directly.

I'm guessing the newer model trucks are quite more capable but restricted as jerry mentioned.

But I did read somewhere that potentially gvwr is a factor in authorities deeming being overloaded. Maybe someone can comment on that.

The truck max towing trailer weight is spec'd just above 19000 lbs.


If there's not a payload sticker on the door pillar, then call RAM with your VIN and ask for a replacement. Basically, it's the max weights for that specific truck, based on options. IMO, since the rear axle is almost certainly the same as a 1t, with only springs and brakes differing, if you're over on the RARW, but under on your tires, you should be golden. Now, since you're in BC, I've heard that LEO up there sort of makes stuff up as they go. [emoticon]

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ProbablyOverloaded wrote:

Oddly enough my door sticker does not indicate my max payload for the truck. And there is conflicting numbers about the "payload capacity" online and given weights from the dealer directly.

I'm guessing the newer model trucks are quite more capable but restricted as jerry mentioned.

But I did read somewhere that potentially gvwr is a factor in authorities deeming being overloaded. Maybe someone can comment on that.

The truck max towing trailer weight is spec'd just above 19000 lbs.


Towing weight rating does NOT apply to a 5er so just forget that!!!

Legally all that matters is you don't overload the tires.

License the truck for the next tonn above it's actual loaded weight.


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Look at ICBC website for regulations around GVWR and GCWR.

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The only question to ask is "What trailer do you really want dear."

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Looking at BC motor vehicle transport act regs on weighing of vehicles says quote; (snipped for length)
**(4) The gross weight of any vehicle or combination of vehicles shall be the sum of the individual gross axle weights of all the axles of the vehicle or combination of vehicles.**

We also know from other members from BC say that their trucks have to have a "GVWR" for registration which can be the truck mfg GVWR or the sum of the GAWRs as the trucks registered GVWR.

I have a '03 2500 Dodge/Cummins NV5600 tranny 3.73 gears QC short bed 6000 RAWR and pull a 11400 gross weight 5th wheel trailer. The truck has a 13250 lb tow rating.
I also pull a 16k GN triaxle (non rv) trailer that can be loaded so I don't exceed the trucks 6000 RAWR. Both trailers pull like a dream. The loaded triaxle (7k axles) actually panic stop quicker than the 5th wheel rv tandem axle (5200 lb axles) trailer. I'm under all the trucks GAWRs. My state has no weights for registration on a non commercial vehicle.


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Cummins12V98 wrote:

ProbablyOverloaded wrote:

Oddly enough my door sticker does not indicate my max payload for the truck. And there is conflicting numbers about the "payload capacity" online and given weights from the dealer directly.

I'm guessing the newer model trucks are quite more capable but restricted as jerry mentioned.

But I did read somewhere that potentially gvwr is a factor in authorities deeming being overloaded. Maybe someone can comment on that.

The truck max towing trailer weight is spec'd just above 19000 lbs.


Towing weight rating does NOT apply to a 5er so just forget that!!!

Legally all that matters is you don't overload the tires.

License the truck for the next tonn above it's actual loaded weight.


This^^^^some states and maybe provinces require buying extra tonnage if loading over the class the truck is registered for. You can likely buy more rating than the truck is capable of.

Lol, as to poster asking if I'd pay OPs fines. I have helped a number of extended family members, and a few close friends, with many thousands of dollars of fines, lawsuits, judgments, bad checks, etc, to help get them back on track. I do draw the line, not to post my info on the forum though, but would be interesting to read the PMs!![emoticon]

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Never mind, found the answer.

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If you honestly run near empty, it looks OK...but how are you living in it but have nearly no gear in it?

I'm not positive but I thought the newer dodge trucks has completely different rear suspension between the 3/4 and 1 ton SRW. Older trucks, it was often just the spring pack...so I wouldn't count on it being a 1 ton in disguise.


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Because you already have the truck I think not having a payload sticker is a plus. I would recommend not exceeding your rear axle weight rating by too much. Try to keep your pin weight under 3000 lbs. You also need to keep in mind that the closer to 3k lbs you have your pin weight at the nicer the 5ver will pull.... a light pin adversely affects handling.

BC is the only jurisdiction that I'm aware of that actually has a law that states if you are over weight your gross vehicle weight will be used as the number you can't exceed. The way it plays out is that if a LEO sees your headlights pointing to the moon and figures you look overloaded he can scale you and if you're found to be over any of your gvwr numbers you are overloaded. So because you are in BC you are at a higher risk of having weight issues.

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