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OK...look at this...

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According to an estimate by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were approximately 45 million cases of the flu in the United States during the 2017-2018 influenza season, resulting in an estimated 810,000 flu-associated hospitalizations and an estimated 61,000 flu-associated deaths.

How did the hospitals handle 810,000 flu hospitalizations where they needed respirators and masks and beds ...and there was no panic?? the flu is communicable and killed 60,000 people but did not cause panic and a worldwide depression !!


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freetime58 wrote:

RV daytrader wrote:

Not to make light of the corona virus as I am sure more will die from it but.....this is for the United States in 2017

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

coronavirus: 298 so far

So...try to stay away from crowds....but don,t panic...imo


None of those have the ability to tank the economy like Covid-19 already has....none of those stand to tax the health care system to the max and overwhelm things to the point where health care professional will have to make a decision on who lives and who dies . People may not only loose their lives but the economic impact will also lose people their jobs, homes, savings, retirement savings, cars, trucks, rv's....you name it. Seems many folks are just too narrow minded and selfish to take it serious enough...........let's see you post again in 3 to 6 months and see if you've changed your attitude and perspective on things.


What has "tanked" the "Economy" is FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) which has more rapidly spread by not only Media outlets but by Internet forums like this.

Daytrader's list has what is "Knowns" in life, we are all well aware of and used to.

The big problem with "Covid" is it is not well know, it is a recent "jump" that humans have not been exposed to and some folks carry it with no symptoms, some get mild symptoms and some severe symptoms to the point of death.

One can only take guesses (and that IS what all of the numbers being bantered around) to how many have it, how many have died from it and how many more it will affect and just how overwhelmed the Hospitals will be.

FUD, that is the problem, not really so much COVID..

Best thing to do, is not panic (first part of "Pandemic") and to follow what your local Authorities ask you to do like stay at home, shelter in place..

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2oldman wrote:

Diabetes can be mitigated by less beer and ice cream.

Yes, that does put it in perspective, but we don't simply refuse to deal with things that have the potential to kill people because other things kill more people.


Interesting comment considering:

How many car deaths in the US each year?
For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day. In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000.

What, specifically, are we doing to reduce those numbers such as shutting down roads as a similar example. The amazing thing is that next year there will be a vaccine for covid-19, but next year we will once again kill 37000 people with cars.

Or are vehicles exempt from your comment because they are necessary.


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larry cad wrote:

What, specifically, are we doing to reduce those numbers such as shutting down roads as a similar example. .
Self-driving cars, which, of course, many are complaining about.

And yes, driving is necessary, that's why the general public accepts thousands of highway deaths. Cost vs benefit, and highway deaths don't shut down the economy.
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How did the hospitals handle 810,000 flu hospitalizations where they needed respirators and masks and beds ...and there was no panic?? the flu is communicable and killed 60,000 people but did not cause panic and a worldwide depression !!
Good points, for which I don't have the facts. But this is a new strain that we know is more deadly and we have no vaccine or treatment. That would seem a good reason to be very careful with this.

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Gdetrailer wrote:

freetime58 wrote:

RV daytrader wrote:

Not to make light of the corona virus as I am sure more will die from it but.....this is for the United States in 2017

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

coronavirus: 298 so far

So...try to stay away from crowds....but don,t panic...imo


None of those have the ability to tank the economy like Covid-19 already has....none of those stand to tax the health care system to the max and overwhelm things to the point where health care professional will have to make a decision on who lives and who dies . People may not only loose their lives but the economic impact will also lose people their jobs, homes, savings, retirement savings, cars, trucks, rv's....you name it. Seems many folks are just too narrow minded and selfish to take it serious enough...........let's see you post again in 3 to 6 months and see if you've changed your attitude and perspective on things.


What has "tanked" the "Economy" is FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) which has more rapidly spread by not only Media outlets but by Internet forums like this.

Daytrader's list has what is "Knowns" in life, we are all well aware of and used to.

The big problem with "Covid" is it is not well know, it is a recent "jump" that humans have not been exposed to and some folks carry it with no symptoms, some get mild symptoms and some severe symptoms to the point of death.

One can only take guesses (and that IS what all of the numbers being bantered around) to how many have it, how many have died from it and how many more it will affect and just how overwhelmed the Hospitals will be.

FUD, that is the problem, not really so much COVID..

Best thing to do, is not panic (first part of "Pandemic") and to follow what your local Authorities ask you to do like stay at home, shelter in place..


Dead on. The response will end up destroying more lives than the virus would have. We’re going to blow right by recession and into depression if this continues.


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Ductape wrote:

We’re going to blow right by recession and into depression if this continues.
It could get very ugly. These are very tough decisions that no one is happy about, with the possible exception of stock market investors with a lot of cash who will make a killing on it.

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"Just a hoax" says the President and Rush Limbaugh, MD's

Awful way to die and if I have to avoid people for a while, I am all in.

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larry cad wrote:

2oldman wrote:

Diabetes can be mitigated by less beer and ice cream.

Yes, that does put it in perspective, but we don't simply refuse to deal with things that have the potential to kill people because other things kill more people.


Interesting comment considering:

How many car deaths in the US each year?
For 2016 specifically, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day. In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, 30,296 deadly, killing 32,999, and injuring 2,239,000.

What, specifically, are we doing to reduce those numbers such as shutting down roads as a similar example. The amazing thing is that next year there will be a vaccine for covid-19, but next year we will once again kill 37000 people with cars.

Or are vehicles exempt from your comment because they are necessary.

We are continuously trying to make cars safer. Seat belt use hasn't always been mandatory, air bags have not always been standard equipment, side curtain air bags and crush zones are all efforts to make cars safer.
We are now experimenting/adding self braking cars. The ultimate goal being self driving cars. Bottom line we are constantly making efforts to improve cars.
As to the Flu there are vaccination campaigns every year. WE now vaccinate at your local pharmacy. Easy access vaccinations has not always been the case. Again we make efforts to educate and control the flu. We do not just sit back and let it happen.
This same logic is applied to Covid -19 we know its coming, we see the potential for deaths, we are not just going to sit back and let it happen. We understand we can't beat it, but we can have an impact if we act vs. doing nothing and pretending it's just the flu.
Italy took a laid back approach and their mess is real. Hospitals are overwhelmed and people are dying.
I agree the economy is going to suffer however economies can recover. Lots of grandmas and grandpas won't recover, which is what all the fuss is about


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China seems to be on the downhill side of this outbreak. They say the incidence of new cases as well as the incidence of deaths in China have both declined for the past month. China's population is 1.435 Billion. Total deaths attributed to this virus, as of now, stands at 3,255. If my math is correct, that's a mortality rate of 0.00022% of the population in the nation that was the origin and epicenter of the disease. (Mortality rates are supposed to be calculated versus total population, but many news sources are figuring death number versus number diagnosed with the disease, a misleading statistic if it's called "mortality rate.")


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time2roll wrote:

Unchecked covid-19 could be double the combined list.


Very possible!

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