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fj12ryder

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Very seldom that semis run at their speed limit, now days the limits are 65 autos, 60 trucks most semis run between 65 and 70, autos 65 and 75.
Running 20 mph below the flow of traffic in the right lane, basically setup a rolling road block.
Rolling roadblock? That's what that passing lane is for. If people would drive like they should, i.e. move over to pass and then move back over to their original lane, it wouldn't be an issue, but instead you have people that pull into the right lane and just sit there, even when they could get back over. There's your rolling roadblock.

Makes a person wonder how they keep the autobahns in Germany from being endless car wrecks, when you have people driving 100+mph and other people doing 60-70 mph. Oh yeah, they know how to drive.


German drivers are more considerate than North American drivers. The also follow the rules better when driving the Autobahn to avoid the mass collisions.
Actually consideration has little to do with it. They know the laws and value their license because they cost a lot to get, both in time and money. None of this walk in the door, and if you can find the counter with minimal help, you get a license. They actually have to prove they both want and have earned a license. The licensing procedure is quite severe.


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German drivers are more considerate than North American drivers. The also follow the rules better when driving the Autobahn to avoid the mass collisions.
Actually consideration has little to do with it. They know the laws and value their license because they cost a lot to get, both in time and money. None of this walk in the door, and if you can find the counter with minimal help, you get a license. They actually have to prove they both want and have earned a license. The licensing procedure is quite severe.


Thanks for that information. Guess it is not so much a right there as it seems to be in North America.

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clearly the idea of driving being an earned privilege has now morphed into a right with no assumption of consequences or responsibility.

sometimes I think half the people on the road failed driver training.
And yes, previously in NC they will pull right onto four lane, go into left lane with no one in the right lane, and just sit there.
I have always wanted a huge light up sign in rear window that would
flash WRONG LANE

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Actually consideration has little to do with it. They know the laws and value their license because they cost a lot to get, both in time and money. None of this walk in the door, and if you can find the counter with minimal help, you get a license. They actually have to prove they both want and have earned a license. The licensing procedure is quite severe.


Very true fj12ryder! Had a relative earn a driving license there, and was no easy task! Funny...last time renewing my license here, they now have someone floating the room, to help you find your form and pencil, and will help get you to the counter, when it is your turn.[emoticon]

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To bad that same person can't ride along with them to help them drive.


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rhagfo wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:

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Very seldom that semis run at their speed limit, now days the limits are 65 autos, 60 trucks most semis run between 65 and 70, autos 65 and 75.
Running 20 mph below the flow of traffic in the right lane, basically setup a rolling road block.
Rolling roadblock? That's what that passing lane is for. If people would drive like they should, i.e. move over to pass and then move back over to their original lane, it wouldn't be an issue, but instead you have people that pull into the right lane and just sit there, even when they could get back over. There's your rolling roadblock.

Makes a person wonder how they keep the autobahns in Germany from being endless car wrecks, when you have people driving 100+mph and other people doing 60-70 mph. Oh yeah, they know how to drive.


Well when you consider about 90% of the interstate system is only two lanes in each direction, a rolling road block is a vehicle going significantly slower than the general flow of traffic forcing all to move to the left lane to get around them. If the volume of traffic is higher than moderate many will have a difficult time fitting into the left lane.



The reason the Interstates were made to this expensive design is exactly that: the right-hand lane has precedence. It is the travel lane. The passing lane exists only to facilitate a legal pass so that traffic in the right lane remains at a higher average.

Extended travel in the left lane is illegal by definition. The left lane has NO right-of-way whatsoever. The exception to that is during the close confines of a pass. One cannot be in the lane otherwise.

Only the stupid argue they’re going faster. Traffic volume determines average speed. Irrelevant how fast one WANTS to go.

Next, It is illegal to otherwise block entry to the left lane. Period. A pass is by one vehicle at a time.

In a big truck I put my lane-change signal on per requirement: as I am ready to start the move to the left lane. I AM NOT, “asking permission”.

This makes the cretins mad as reading was never a required subject. Have even had a few hit me this year. No concept of what is ROW and who has it (situation).

Emergencies happen. Smooth 67-mph traffic in travel lane and no left lane illegals, a suddenly stalled vehicle — or worse — means traffic diverts around into the left lane. It means the big trucks are coming over as that Is the road design.

Right lane (of two lane) ROW is an absolute. All other rules start from there.

If you are in the left lane, you will be at fault. Assuming you live to tell about it.

As to RVs, none of you have the brakes you need to do over 60. The trailer electric drum brakes will have ceased functioning before you come to a full emergency stop.
If you are passing much of any traffic, you’re the handicapped vehicle that screws it up for everyone else when things go wrong.

58-62/mph covers a range where other traffic flows around you as you learn to manage that situation . The big trucks are at 64-66/mph and all the stupids run in packs above that.

NEVER be in any crowd, ever. Vehicles ahead, behind and athwart means you’re in the RV with the picture title of, “Can’t fix stupid” .

It isn’t hard to learn how to stay away. How to drop off 5-10/mph and get them gone. . A football field or more.

What is your FULL emergency stopping distance? Why haven’t you measured it? One-half of that (including 100’ extra for reaction time) is your dead-minimum. Where you pullout to pass. What you use to re-enter the right lane.

None of this was anything controversial 50-years ago. Everyone knew. The two-lane highways made passing difficult. Headlights & Hand Signals. CB Radio. It was coordinated. Cooperative.

Someone’s slowly passing you YOU ARE OBLIGED TO SLOW MIGHTILY TO GET THEM AROUND YOU SOONEST.

That’s the Interstate design. The way rules flow from First Principle: The health of theTravel Lane.

Stay below the flow. Manage (and help) others get past. Stay separate.
Plans stops in advance of leaving, and execute those legs one-at-a-time.

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My stop distance is 700’(all big trucks). If you enter a highway without leaving me 350-500’ OR MORE you have done so illegally. If have to use the the brakes, all the more so. . A football field is the minimum SAFE entry ahead of a big truck.

You NEVER want a big truck behind you. Ever.

Travel speed of 62-mph, be doing 70+ coming down that entrance ramp. That’s the design. . Use slowing/braking to merge carefully.

You should act as do big trucks when your exit is ahead. Not less than two-miles before the exit, move to that lane. Signal on at 4/10s of a mile out.

Drop to 55-mph or lower before entering exit. Continue slowing to 45-mph OR LESS by using brakes and only then start to accelerate up to the side road speed.

Why? Because your rig is only under control with mild acceleration.

This is the road design. Entry & Exit are isolated lanes.

When you make a pass, begin it by accelerating in the right lane and move over 300-350’ out to the left lane (wait for other traffic to clear; hang back) at a speed a good 7-mph OR MORE than the other guy. Stay on it PAST your trailer rear being 100’ ahead of his front bumper. (Cancel cruise during this; Resume only after re-entering right lane).

This is the road design. Use it.

(Traffic overtaking you has exactly ZERO RoW).
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I shouldn’t need to tell you to get down to temporary limits (45-mph construction) as soo as you see the signs. Same with being 5-under on ramps or flyovers.

I have “maybe” two extra-hard braking events in a year of driving all over the USA at 100k-120k miles per year. How about you?

My pickup is about ready for the second set of replacement tires now that it has a quarter-million on it. One brake job before I bought it. All else original. 15-mpg average pulling my 35’. (You?)

If you think it’s because I drive slow, you may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. There far more detail than is outlined above. (As with your job: took time to get good. Commuter miles don’t count as experience on The Big Road). How slow am I if you’ve passed me three times in 300-miles? (There’s method).

Ideal: Smooth, easy, no lane-changes or braking. Steady.
(The problems are emotional).

The fix is in skill acquisition. A plan. Discipline.
For you . . . not your passengers.

Average MPH as planning tool separates men from boys.
It is First Principle in how to write a Trip Plan.

A good truck driver can give you an ETA with 15” on each side, for a destination1,000-miles or more away.

It works being on vacation. As known limits produce freedom from worries.

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"Next, It is illegal to otherwise block entry to the left lane. Period. A pass is by one vehicle at a time."

Yeah, I'm gonna have to see some written proof on that one.

Never heard of right lane ROW, and I doubt it could be found in any handbook or list of regulations. If so, I would love to see it.

So I should "SLOW MIGHTILY" to let someone pass me? Even though "Traffic overtaking you has exactly ZERO RoW"? I don't think so. All that does is create a domino effect of slowing cars. Dumb idea.

Slowing way down, 55-mph or lower, in the right lane before you exit. Another dumb idea.

Two sets of tires in 250,000 miles!!?? I may need to see some proof before I'll buy into that one. [emoticon]

A few decent ideas in there, but too many bad ideas too.

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Wow, talk about it is all about me attitude.
First of all if you are in the right lane, you need to yield to a vehicle passing you in the left lane, you just can't bull your way into the lane, same on returning to the right lane.

Well if you are driving defensively you are looking down the road and not beyond your ability to slow or stop for traffic issues.

Lastly if you pull from the right lane into the left lane and strike a vehicle already there, you are at fault, not the vehicle already in that lane.

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70 if I'm driving and 75 - 80 if the wife is driving.


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