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Posted: 08/31/20 06:22am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Gdetrailer wrote:

timmac wrote:

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Gdetrailer wrote:

wildtoad wrote:

K Charles wrote:

When will the internet come to the country?


You can get internet via satellite. Yet one more dish atop a RV or house.


Sure, pay $80 per month and get high latency, laggy Internet and have very low data caps.. Your a funny guy.. Not.

There is NOTHING free, Timac is well known for stirring the pot bragging that Sat Dishes are dead.. They are very far from dead, still well alive and kicking, sorry Timac, your "predictions" are dead.

BOTH Dish and Direct are STILL there AND there is a new no frills sat service called "Orby" making that now THREE sat services.. You are also forgetting about cable services, many people shuffle around whatever service gives the best deal.. Not unusual to see folks exit one service only to show up using another service.

Streaming is not viable "everywhere", costs a lot of money to support a streaming habit and streaming HD video requires considerable speed and data allowances, something that is often missing in rural areas that are under served or not served by Cell phone, fiber or cable.

Streaming also requires on to PAY for streaming accounts, not ALL channels on sat or cable is available on every streaming service do your end result is paying $5 here, $10 there for each service a month and after paying for three or more services and adding in the additional internet costs you are now in it for MORE than what it would cost for just getting your fix from Dish, Direct, Orby or your local cable co..


Everything in this post is a worst case scenario. I get truly unlimited data pretty cheap - you just have to hunt for deals. We have several streaming services and all summed up don't equate to half of what I would pay if I had Satellite. And that's first year. Sat companies have a way of doubling your "introductory" price after the first year. So I pay about 1/4 of what a long term Sat subscriber would pay. Add to that, I get way more content and content I want instead paying for a lot I don't.


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I cut the cord years ago and still pay less than the basic package DirecTV was giving me and I get 5 times the programs, internet cost is not that much if you shop around and besides I need internet for my business so that cost is not a factor for me, internet gets you a hundred times more programs than dish/dircTV combined, you pay for only what you want and many of it is Free..

With internet you can even watch your local news anywhere in North/South America, cant do that with dish/direcTV..


Timac, you are full of it.

Perhaps you should move away from the big city and see what life looks like without fiber internet.

My phone co only offers 1.5 mbs for $100 per month, has so bad of latency even DSL reports speed test does not function. Streaming SD video is an exercise of frustration and HD streaming is out..

Just recently moved to cable Internet, now paying $150 per month just so my DD is able to do college online Zoom with out the need of waiting 2 minutes for the video to catch up..

Sat Internet is a terrible option also, anyone who has no other alternative hates it with a passion, it is not what those smiling faces on TV commercials try to make it out.. Getting email on Sat Internet can be a chore.

Even my cable co Internet service, it has data caps, streaming video and especially HD video can easily exceed a lot of data caps..

I have zero care to stream, I HAVE had to deal with streaming video at my work place, it has been very frustrating to deal with video lag, blocky pixelated picturers to frozen screens to complete loss of screens under BUSINESS purposes let alone in watching constant reruns of of most cable programming.

From what I have gathered, you MUST join and pay a FEE for EACH streaming service, not EVERY streaming service offers EVERY possible TV show that can be found on Dish or Direct. So, you have to join Netflix, Disney, Showtime, HBO, Amazon prime and on and on..

$5 there, $5 here, $10 there, $10 for Amazon Prime and so on per month you will shovel out to get "premium content" just sign up for 5 services then add in the cost of Internet and you easily exceed what I pay for Dish or even Direct.

I might also point out, Internet streaming uses very high video and audio compression, on a GOOD TV it IS very noticable, while Dish and Direct also use compression, it is at a much lower level. I can easily see the difference, to me, the compression artifacts are distracting..

If you are using a phone or Tablet to stream your programs, you will never see compression distortion and you are not worried about butchered audio.. However, SOME folks like myself DO care when we put it on 50" or larger TVs.

Streaming has it's place in life but as a "main stream" video programing source it is not. Most folks do not really add all the costs up of streaming, I DO. Must have stable FAST enough Internet which is not cheap, MUST signup and PAY for each streaming service, once again not cheap.

Then if you have more than one TV, you will need PAY FOR multiple accounts or HIGHER SERVICE TIERS which will cost you more..

Example, Basic Netflix account allows for ONE "Device" at $7.99 per month for SD video.. Want 2 you have to Bump up to Standard "HD Plan" at $10.99 per month.. FOUR or more "devices" and you have to sign up for Netflix "Premium plan" which is $13.99 per month!

Doesn't take much to start cutting into your supposed savings for cutting the cord if you are a household of more than one..

I have my Dish setup serving my whole house (6 TVs) for under $100 and I also have DVR too boot.. I am not paying extra for each TV either..

Like I mentioned, sat TV IS still here, It has not gone away like you predicted and it WILL be here for a considerably much longer time than you like to preach.. With the introduction of Orby a couple of years ago the Sat TV folks are making a lier out of your doomsday prediction.

Maybe in 50 or 100 yrs from now your prediction might come true, but by then standalone TVs may have become a thing of the past like Black and White NTSC TVs with only VHF tuners (I DO remember those).


I labored through this diatribe and almost all of it is wrong. Not sure why all the doom and gloom and exaggeration on costs for streaming and that it doesn't work, especially if you've never tried it. Hundreds of millions of people globally say otherwise. If you are in an area that it won't work for you, that's unfortunate. But it doesn't mean the rest if us aren't 100% happy with streaming and saving money on top of it. BTW, as I type this I am working 100% remote, streaming radio and watching the news on a tablet. No problems at all and all in for everything on 3 TV's I pay about $50/month. I've Had Sat TV and Sat internet. It's expensive and was a very poor experience. It's not like I don't know what I am talking about. Oh well, if you don't get it, you don't get it.


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Posted: 08/31/20 11:02am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I suspect that SpaceX is going to tectonically shift the satellite internet and then phone(VOIP) landscape within a couple of years. Dont go too long on those contracts folks.

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K Charles wrote:

We have no cable on our street. Satellite is no going away until cell service is a little more available.

Starlink, satellite internet, is coming faster than you think !

Some people will have it by the end of 2020. Maybe 2 or 3 more years before most of the US is covered.

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Posted: 09/05/20 10:11am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Space X is building a system to cover the world, but first North America. I am on the wait list to Beta test the new service.

We cut the cord so to speak and only have internet from Cox Communications. We rely solely on cell phones and use Hulu for TV via internet.

https://www.starlink.com/





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so is Starlink satellite internet going to be so expensive that they do not dare show us pricing or what the ground station will look like?

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Speculation among the enthusiasts from what Elon has said is that Starlink will be ~$60/month. PURE SPECULATION, remember.

This week, the Head of Starlink (apologies, i cant rem her name) said that expanded beta will begin by the end of this year and they would be contacting the approved applicants soon. So Good Luck mikim and be sure to let us know what you think of it (assuming you dont have a nondisclosure, of course).

Also she stated that the break even point is about 1000 satellites in the system. Currently, there are about 600 (i think something like 12 have dropped out of the system and have or will shortly deorbit). Depending on which permit/application you want to put faith in, the completed system will have between 12,000 to 42,000 satellites in it. As mentioned, they still have a lot of ground stations to build as well. I havent seen anything on how those are progressing so if you have a link to that, pls post!

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Posted: 09/06/20 08:33am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Beta testing will begin in Canada and the Northern US only. Still years away from full US / World coverage. Lots of ground stations still need to be built as well. You have to ask who the customer will be. Much of the US has good fiber (or similar) coverage. Satellite internet will not be better. So the market is only the under served in the US and other Nations.


What I post is my 2 cents and nothing more. Please don't read anything into my post that's not there. If you disagree, that's OK.
Can't we all just get along?

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Bill.Satellite wrote:

Beta testing will begin in Canada and the Northern US only. Still years away from full US / World coverage. Lots of ground stations still need to be built as well. You have to ask who the customer will be. Much of the US has good fiber (or similar) coverage. Satellite internet will not be better. So the market is only the under served in the US and other Nations.


Recheck how fast SpaceX puts satellites into orbit and specifically how many he CAN put up. 1000 isnt very many launches away from 600 at almost 60 a pop. (Elon has further stated that 2 launches a month is 'meh' and they can do much better.) Lemme know if you need help with the math.[emoticon]

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Posted: 09/06/20 06:25pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Let me know if you need a reality check! Billions of dollars in satellites and on-going infrastructure costs all being sold to only those who don't already have good service (maybe 20%, max). Pie in the sky is one thing and I don't need any help with that math!

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CFerguson wrote:

Bill.Satellite wrote:

Beta testing will begin in Canada and the Northern US only. Still years away from full US / World coverage. Lots of ground stations still need to be built as well. You have to ask who the customer will be. Much of the US has good fiber (or similar) coverage. Satellite internet will not be better. So the market is only the under served in the US and other Nations.


Recheck how fast SpaceX puts satellites into orbit and specifically how many he CAN put up. 1000 isnt very many launches away from 600 at almost 60 a pop. (Elon has further stated that 2 launches a month is 'meh' and they can do much better.) Lemme know if you need help with the math.[emoticon]


Bill doesn't want Elon's internet up soon, it will prove me right..

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