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CavemanCharlie

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Etstorm wrote:

#1Flyboy wrote:

Yes the trashing of America is gonna continue UNTIL the government steps in and starts making trash disposal, recycling, energy conservation subjects that need to be taught to the public; won’t stop 100% of problems but will start to minimize the issues. Also companies need to look into packaging and how their products are winding up in places other than the garbage dump/recycling center.... We live on the road & camphost so we are very aware of this issue.


No amount of government mandates will make a slob not be a slob!


Maybe not but, it won't hurt. You would be surprised how many of my friends kids / grand kids were never taught in school anything about recycling or picking up after yourself. I know that stuff should be taught at home but, if it isn't where are they going to learn it ???

I try to purchase stuff with less packaging but, you really can't ! It's all over packaged and surrounded by ****. I'm depressed at how much of the **** we buy is surrounded by **** that we then buy.

Plastic bags, in plastic bags, in plastic bags, surrounding a plastic hard shell thing, all for plastic toy.

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Posted: 10/03/20 07:39pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Thermoguy wrote:

cptqueeg wrote:

While it's disgusting no matter whose trash it is, it's a tiny problem compared to environmental disaster that is occurring or about to occur in the US. The cause is the same though - it's all about me, and how much money can I extract for the "shareholders."

Pebble Mine - Bristol Bay

Drilling in ANWAR

Opening 9 million acres of wilderness to roads and logging in the Tongass NF


If you have ever been to any industrial site in AK, like the oil fields in Prudhoe Bay, or mines outside of Fairbanks, you would not feel this way. They are very conscientious of the environment and the animals that call those places home. They take incredible care to not harm wildlife and keep everything clean. If a polar bear goes anywhere near a drill site, the shut it down regardless of the cost until the bear has it's babies and leaves the area. Alaska is the last place in the world you have to worry about environmental damage.



I worked in the Tongass NF laying out timber sales for the USFS, there is PLENTY of ground in the Tongass to log w/out touching the wilderness. It's just easier and more profitable to do there.


ANWAR has no development at all. I'd like to see it some day as it is now. We HAVE oil and gas in spades - why go there?


Even Junior is against Pebble Mine.....which is plagued with corruption and is a 20 year program (lol) that is never going to end. It will also be a beachhead for further extraction in the interior. Locals don't like it and fisherman don't like it either.

Why should a Canadian company come pillage AK anyway?

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Who really knows when the picture was taken? That isn't camping trash, that's just standard household trash. Me thinks there's some back story that isn't getting any print. And "a representative of New Mexico’s Lincoln National Forest", really? And Facebook isn't exactly know for it's rigorous stance on truth and straight talk.


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Recently it used to be that dispersed camping was allowed anywhere within the Black Hills Nat. Forest.
Not anymore.
The most recent MVUMs ( motor vehicle use maps) restrict dispersed camping to very few areas along # FS roads, must be more than 100', not more than 300' from those roadways.
The premise from the BHNF is vehicle use Policing, refuse and restricting use to low fire risk areas, such as those with short grass, low density forest canopy, fire risk.
Our SD BHNF forest rangers report little problem with refuse, the larger concern is UTV use on and off designated trail use.
THE Side by Side UTV is the next target to restrict use of our public lands by the culprits who go mudholing and riding off trail.
Many areas in the BHNF are restricted to vehicles. under 62" wide, require a trail pass to use. In Wyoming, restrict portions under 50"
If the abuse continues, in near future UTV s recreational use will be banned
Heads up, visitors and users of our public lands, you must respect them and treat them as your own.
Your descendends will thank you

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Posted: 10/03/20 10:24pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

That Native American commercial was done back in the 70's so this NOT a new problem. Been going on for decades, centuries

And that Native American...Italian Heritage actor


Is it time for your medication or mine?


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Humans have always been slobs. Many native groups lived in an are until it was just nasty and then built a new village. Our pioneer ancestor's tossed their refuse out the back door, or if they were lucky enough to have a flowing river, directly into the drink
Where would archeology be if it wasn't for slobs?
Certainly not approving of littering, but am merely pointing out that it is nothing new.

As far as the pictures showing furniture, probably a result of ridicules' charges for disposal. My local transfer station wanted 20 bucks a piece for a twin size mattress and box spring. I brought them home and burned them. Most don't have that option, and many don't have the 40 bucks!

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Thunder Mountain wrote:

It seems that the new users of public lands are just pigs with no back country ethics. They wouldn't know what real wilderness was if it bit them in the butt.


Much of what is now considered American wilderness was once populated by people who either died off from Old World diseases or were run off by the American government. The concept of wilderness is largely a modern one.

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I love our forest service campgrounds. But for years, you rarely see a ranger. We were just at a COE campground last week. Same thing. No one at check in. No one ever came around to check if I had a reservation. The only ranger I saw was when I was walking my dog around the visitor center. I too suggest charging for some of these no fee campgrounds. Even at a night would help.Same with back country camping. Some state parks don't charge for people to swim in the lakes. Luckily our state of Pa started up dating campground facilities a few years ago so our state parks have a lot of new bath houses but even in them,I rarely see a ranger drive through.

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Thermoguy wrote:

cptqueeg wrote:

While it's disgusting no matter whose trash it is, it's a tiny problem compared to environmental disaster that is occurring or about to occur in the US. The cause is the same though - it's all about me, and how much money can I extract for the "shareholders."

Pebble Mine - Bristol Bay

Drilling in ANWAR

Opening 9 million acres of wilderness to roads and logging in the Tongass NF


If you have ever been to any industrial site in AK, like the oil fields in Prudhoe Bay, or mines outside of Fairbanks, you would not feel this way. They are very conscientious of the environment and the animals that call those places home. They take incredible care to not harm wildlife and keep everything clean. If a polar bear goes anywhere near a drill site, the shut it down regardless of the cost until the bear has it's babies and leaves the area. Alaska is the last place in the world you have to worry about environmental damage.


But it sure is fun to sit in your house heated by fossil fuels, using power generated by fossil fuels and drive to the beer store in your car powered by fossil fuels for beer that was made in a factory using fossil fuels, lights and fridge at the grocery store, etc etc
all while saying logging drilling and mining are bad.
Typical hypocrite....and as you said, never seen the level of care and effort that goes into some of these operations. Namely the N Slope and other AK activities.


"Yes Sir, Oct 10 1888, Those poor school children froze to death in their tracks. They did not even find them until Spring. Especially hard hit were the ones who had to trek uphill to school both ways, with no shoes." -Bert A.

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