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carringb wrote:

Gjac wrote:

From what I see most of these smaller C's get about 10 mpgs with the V-10's don't know if 45 more HP in the newer eng will do better but should be much better performance on hills.


The Thor/Axis have the lowest coeffecient of drag of any motorhome. That's what allows them to use a Class 3 (E350) chassis, which has a stricter carbon-emissions limit than the Class 4 chassis. Ford and Thor went through a lot to optimize that sloped front windshield.

Also, the extra power of the new 7.3L is more than the 45 hp on paper might suggest, because the V10 was only chassis certified, and the new engine is dyo certified. For claims both methods are tuned the same, and only the test method differs. The same motor in the F-series is rated at 430 hp using the chassis method. The simplest way to describe the test methods is chassis dyno certified = best load case (no EGR, fan off, A/C off, minimal alternator load etc) and the dyno certified is worst case (will EGR, engine fan maximum engagements, max load of all front-end accessories).

But.... as others have mentioned... Thor's QA program leaves a lot to be desired. Do a very thorough inspection before you buy. You might find some build-quality differences between the same units on the same lot.
I did not know the difference between the two certifications which is an important distinction. If I understand you post completely I think what you are saying is when both use the chassis certified method the real difference in HP is 125 HP. That is a significant difference, especially if it gets the same or better MPG. Do you know if they went with taller gears in the rear end to increase the mpg?

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If I understand you post completely I think what you are saying is when both use the chassis certified method the real difference in HP is 125 HP. That is a significant difference, especially if it gets the same or better MPG. Do you know if they went with taller gears in the rear end to increase the mpg?


The Axis/Vegas 24.1 and 24.3 are built on the E350 for 2021, which comes with 4.10 rear end gears. The larger models are still built on the E450, which comes with 4.56 gears. So yes, the shorter ones should use less fuel, but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined).


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"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


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A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I was surprised at the 2020 specs for capacity on such a small coach. Depending on the model there is between 6-7.5k lbs of actual towing capacity. Impressive for such a small coach - or maybe it's because it's a small coach. There are a LOT of larger gassers with almost no capacity left.


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A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.

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JRscooby wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.


Well thanks for that clarification! There goes me wanting to bring my tank along. Just got it set up to flat tow too...

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JRscooby wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.


So what kind of toad DO you plan to tow in the "6000-10,000 pound" range? That's still pretty heavy.

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way2roll wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.


Well thanks for that clarification! There goes me wanting to bring my tank along. Just got it set up to flat tow too...



A1ARealtorRick wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.


So what kind of toad DO you plan to tow in the "6000-10,000 pound" range? That's still pretty heavy.


My point is that a 3500 lb change in GCVWR means less than the same change in GVWR. And any time a rating increases some of it is used up in extra weight of the vehicle,

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JRscooby wrote:

way2roll wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.


Well thanks for that clarification! There goes me wanting to bring my tank along. Just got it set up to flat tow too...



A1ARealtorRick wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I'm not going to look up the weights, or GVWR of the vehicles but at most I bet the ratings allow for a bump of tow ratings of going from 6000 to 10000 lbs. Hardly "Sherman Tank" range.


So what kind of toad DO you plan to tow in the "6000-10,000 pound" range? That's still pretty heavy.


My point is that a 3500 lb change in GCVWR means less than the same change in GVWR. And any time a rating increases some of it is used up in extra weight of the vehicle,


And my whole point was the Axis can tow pretty much any typical toad whether it be the lower or higher rating, in that even something like a Honda Pilot or Jeep Wrangler Unlimited don't weigh more than 4500 pounds. And, the Axis being pretty much a 2-person unit, the toad would most likely be a smaller, lighter vehicle yet.

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way2roll wrote:

A1ARealtorRick wrote:

"......but also have a lower tow rating (18,500 combined vs 22,000 combined)"

But unless you have a Sherman tank as a toad, for most the difference in tow rating is probably a non-issue [emoticon]


I was surprised at the 2020 specs for capacity on such a small coach. Depending on the model there is between 6-7.5k lbs of actual towing capacity. Impressive for such a small coach - or maybe it's because it's a small coach. There are a LOT of larger gassers with almost no capacity left.
You are right my current 33 ft Class A can't tow that much. When I compare specs against other Class A's or space against small Class C's. HP/wt ratio, WB/L ratio all look impressive. The only concern is the quality of Thor products. That is why I asked if any on here actually own one, but not one owner has responded yet.

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