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Posted: 10/13/20 08:29am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Can I tow an Exactly 10,000 lb GVWR trailer ?

The DMV Handbook says No, as it has to be "under 10,000".
The Vehicle Code says Yes, as it is "Not exceeding 10,000".

Why would they be different ?

DMV Handbook, Page 9 https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/uploads/2020/06/dl600.pdf
Class C DL - ...."With a vehicle weighing 4,000 lbs. or more unladen, you may tow a: — Trailer coach or fifth-wheel travel trailer under 10,000 lbs. GVWR when towing is not for compensation."

Section 12804.9 of the Vehicle Code https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=12804.9&lawCode=VEH#
(3) Class C ... (F) (i) "A two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing either a trailer coach or a fifth-wheel travel trailer not exceeding 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight rating, when the towing of the trailer is not for compensation."

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The vehicle code is law. The DMV handbook is not law, just a (mostly) authoritative informational publication. If you are cited for not having the correct license and go before a judge, the vehicle code is what the decision will be based on.

As an aside, I'm rather surprised that they codified it based on the GVWR rather than the actual weight, but that's not really relevant to the question.





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Posted: 10/13/20 08:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The online DMV handbook contains the following disclaimer:

"The state makes no claims, promises, or guarantees about the absolute accuracy, completeness, or adequacy of the contents of this website and expressly disclaims liability for errors and omissions in the contents of this website."

So the vehicle code should hold up in court. This is an amusing exercise for lawyers.

It seems to be OK to overload a trailer if the weight rating is less than 10,000 lbs.

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Posted: 10/13/20 09:32am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You can tow 10K or Under with your Class C Drivers License

You can NOT tow a 10,001# with your Class C DL

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It’s a good question and the “rules” are contradictory in other states as well.
Many say “under 10k” when they really should say under 10.001k or “over” 10k.

Don’t sweat it. It’s the 10klb law which is a federal DOT standard.

If it wasn’t, the “standard “ 3/4 tons would be rated 9999lb gvw and same with trailers.
(Yes I realize there are many class 2 trucks now rated over 10klbs as well in recent years. )


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The Handbook also states for a regular class C license:

If the towing vehicle weighs 4,000 lbs. or more unladen, you may tow a:
Trailer coach not exceeding 9,000 lbs. gross.

I suppose the law says the same thing but don't know how to check that.


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DrewE wrote:


As an aside, I'm rather surprised that they codified it based on the GVWR rather than the actual weight, but that's not really relevant to the question.


By specifying GVWR it can be checked during a traffic stop by simply reading the data placard on the vehicle; if it were codified as actual weight then all stops would require a scale to be available in order to determine the actual weight.


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wgriswold wrote:

The Handbook also states for a regular class C license:

If the towing vehicle weighs 4,000 lbs. or more unladen, you may tow a:
Trailer coach not exceeding 9,000 lbs. gross.

I suppose the law says the same thing but don't know how to check that.


"(B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), a two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing a trailer coach not exceeding 9,000 pounds gross."

Maybe this url will work better:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=12804.9&lawCode=VEH#

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jthrv wrote:

wgriswold wrote:

The Handbook also states for a regular class C license:

If the towing vehicle weighs 4,000 lbs. or more unladen, you may tow a:
Trailer coach not exceeding 9,000 lbs. gross.

I suppose the law says the same thing but don't know how to check that.


"(B) Notwithstanding subparagraph (A), a two-axle vehicle weighing 4,000 pounds or more unladen when towing a trailer coach not exceeding 9,000 pounds gross."

Maybe this url will work better:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=12804.9&lawCode=VEH#


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So Cali has a 9k towing law, not 10 like the rest of the world?
To be specific 10k trailer is not a limit for non commercial driving most other places either.
Just over 10k Truck commercially requires DOT numbers and drivers file. Combo under 26k = no cdl.

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