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Boomerweps

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Posted: 10/17/20 08:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I read you saying no trucks but what about the smaller 4 door pickups like the Ranger or Canyon? They have a larger towing capacity than most SUVs.
Keep in mind, Towing Capacity is GCWR minus curb weight. As was mentioned above, every pound in the tow vehicle (TV) is taken from the tow rating.
I most often recommend the goal of using 75-80% of your Tow Rating when matching TV to loaded travel trailer(TT). This is to leave capacity for what gets carried in the TV and vehicle operation. It really sucks to go at half the speed limit up steep hills ;(

When I finally CAT scaled my then rig, Explorer rated 5225# towing, current 3877# GVWR trailer, I found out I was borderline on my TT axle, and slightly over on my TV rear GAWR. Both TV & TT went on a weight loss program. One season and it was easy to talk wife into me getting a truck. Now limiting our load out is to not making extra effort and having extra stuff in the way, and more stuff to unload once home. And I can take the firewood I want and haul water in the TT if desired.

* This post was edited 10/17/20 08:54am by Boomerweps *


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Yup, tow vehicle payload is going to be the limiting factor. Midsize suv probably has a max payload around 1200 lbs. A tank of gas will take 150 lbs of that, five people at an average 150 lbs takes another 750 lbs. That only leaves 350 lbs for games and snacks and drinks and maps and books and “stuff,” never mind the trailer’s tongue weight of 400-600 lbs and oops, you are overloaded.





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naturist wrote:

Yup, tow vehicle payload is going to be the limiting factor. Midsize suv probably has a max payload around 1200 lbs. A tank of gas will take 150 lbs of that, five people at an average 150 lbs takes another 750 lbs. That only leaves 350 lbs for games and snacks and drinks and maps and books and “stuff,” never mind the trailer’s tongue weight of 400-600 lbs and oops, you are overloaded.


Payload already accounts for full fluids, including fuel. No need to subtract for that.


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Probably with the larger cars like the Expedition and Armada won't fit right in my garage and no space on the driveway for it.

I'm trying to do some research on the VW Atlas and Subaru Ascent, which I've found on those forums people are pulling lots of different types.


I'm curious why the Jayco Jayfeather X17Z has such a high tongue weight for such a small trailer. I guess a lot of the weight is moved forward in the trailer?

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aquariafly wrote:

Probably with the larger cars like the Expedition and Armada won't fit right in my garage and no space on the driveway for it.

I'm trying to do some research on the VW Atlas and Subaru Ascent, which I've found on those forums people are pulling lots of different types.


I'm curious why the Jayco Jayfeather X17Z has such a high tongue weight for such a small trailer. I guess a lot of the weight is moved forward in the trailer?


Be very careful of ANY trailer that has a very low tongue weight for the size.

Tongue weight IS your "friend" when it comes to towing stability.

Accepted range is 10%-15% for bumper pull but being in the lower range means the trailer may not be as stable and will take much less effort to cause trailer sway. Many folks talk about 12%-13% and while that makes for a bit more stability, ideally you NEED to shoot for 15% as that is where you will not have as much twitch and will take considerably more effort to start trailer sway..

Do not discount "Mr Murphy", he takes full advantage of messing with your life when it is least expected.. A lot of folks here ignore words of wisdom..

I have been extremely lucky to have had not one but two times with Mr Murphy having to dodge deer running out in front of me while towing at highway speeds.. Both times I was able to stomp on the brakes and bring the whole train to nearly a stop without the trailer once giving me the feeling that it was going to swing.. One time was so close that I could see the deer ticks jumping off the deer for their lives..

Because I am not afraid of owning a bigger and heavier tow vehicle that is far more capable of handling a trailer bigger and heavier than what I have, those events turned out fine..

I would not wish to retry those events using a much less capable vehicle, I most likely would not be here to type this.

My advice is get a far more capable vehicle to start with and keep your trailer size and weight WELL below the max capabilities of the tow vehicle. That may mean that you will have to scrub the small SUV idea or even the largest SUV and go full tilt to a full sized pickup truck to get your dream trailer.

I would also recommend ignoring the dry weights and using the GVWR of the trailer, absolutely no one ever tows a trailer completely empty when camping. And yes, that means you may have a huge Cargo capacity of the trailer that is unused, there is no law that states one must use every ounce of cargo capacity.. But there are folks who like to justify there oversized trailer by counting potato chips they can take with them..

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If you’re set on those vehicles loaded with people and gear you should stick with a pop up trailer

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