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Posted: 12/26/20 09:26am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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With Fords all-in commitment to be 100% electric by 2035...
I think you need to reread Ford's EV commitment; you have embellished it significantly.


Even if it was true...your average board member is in their 60's and will be long retired prior to the 15yr time horizon (as will many of the politicians pushing companies)...so lots could change between now and then.


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Along with electric vehicles will come the switch to Green Energy.
Solar, wind, tidal, hydro etc.
The oil and gas industry will be in decline. The use of coal continues to decline.
Mining will still be required to support electric vehicles.
Diesel engines will gain in popularity over gas engines, because biodiesel can be produced from many different sources, including algae.

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PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.


While this is true...... It is also true that the low demand generation times come with a signifignant price savigs.... Currently.
That will go away as EVs start changing those low demand times. Many things that we have come to count on not costing much electricty wise will be costing more... A lot more.



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PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.
Oh, so not only will the government mandate that I need to drive an electric vehicle, it'll tell me when I can recharge it. ie: got home from work and plugged in, but my charger won't work until 5-7AM. Need a loaf of bread? Too bad no charge, so walk. Have to get to the ER because I cut my hand? Too bad . . . Wrap it up, no power, no car.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Uh-huh!


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pigman1 wrote:

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PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.
Oh, so not only will the government mandate that I need to drive an electric vehicle, it'll tell me when I can recharge it. ie: got home from work and plugged in, but my charger won't work until 5-7AM. Need a loaf of bread? Too bad no charge, so walk. Have to get to the ER because I cut my hand? Too bad . . . Wrap it up, no power, no car.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Uh-huh!


Too funny. Exaggerate much? What your describing happens no where. And there is no reason to believe it ever will.

I see various government mandates to end tail pipe sales on light vehicles as closing the barn door after the horses are out. In 20 years no one is going to want to buy a clunky old stinky, high maintenance, low performance car or truck that runs on gas and that you can’t fill up at home.

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Reisender wrote:

pigman1 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:



PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.
Oh, so not only will the government mandate that I need to drive an electric vehicle, it'll tell me when I can recharge it. ie: got home from work and plugged in, but my charger won't work until 5-7AM. Need a loaf of bread? Too bad no charge, so walk. Have to get to the ER because I cut my hand? Too bad . . . Wrap it up, no power, no car.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Uh-huh!


Too funny. Exaggerate much? What your describing happens no where. And there is no reason to believe it ever will.

I see various government mandates to end tail pipe sales on light vehicles as closing the barn door after the horses are out. In 20 years no one is going to want to buy a clunky old stinky, high maintenance, low performance car or truck that runs on gas and that you can’t fill up at home.
Exaggeration??? Of course it is, but you tell me how you control when charging is mandated in low demand times? Rules? Yeah that'll work, ha ha, everyone always follows the rules. Timers? Everyone has different needs and who coordinates that?? California has rolling brownouts now, remember. Just a whole new bureaucracy to schedule things. Full of GS employees? Yeah, the government works efficiently now, right? Ideas are great and cheap, Tell me the details on how it works. We can't even pass a Covid relief bill.

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Reisender wrote:

pigman1 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:



PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.
Oh, so not only will the government mandate that I need to drive an electric vehicle, it'll tell me when I can recharge it. ie: got home from work and plugged in, but my charger won't work until 5-7AM. Need a loaf of bread? Too bad no charge, so walk. Have to get to the ER because I cut my hand? Too bad . . . Wrap it up, no power, no car.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Uh-huh!


Too funny. Exaggerate much? What your describing happens no where. And there is no reason to believe it ever will.

I see various government mandates to end tail pipe sales on light vehicles as closing the barn door after the horses are out. In 20 years no one is going to want to buy a clunky old stinky, high maintenance, low performance car or truck that runs on gas and that you can’t fill up at home.


Don’t bet on that Reisender...
But it’s a great little statement to show that unlike many, you are not a vehicle enthusiast.
It’s funny how those that hang on the blue teat like to express their agendas and distaste for how others live. It’s good that others do not do that and just let it be.


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And fwiw, I see the value in EVs. Actually considered one but it does not pan out economically yet. Not even close.

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pigman1 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

pigman1 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:



PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.
Oh, so not only will the government mandate that I need to drive an electric vehicle, it'll tell me when I can recharge it. ie: got home from work and plugged in, but my charger won't work until 5-7AM. Need a loaf of bread? Too bad no charge, so walk. Have to get to the ER because I cut my hand? Too bad . . . Wrap it up, no power, no car.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Uh-huh!


Too funny. Exaggerate much? What your describing happens no where. And there is no reason to believe it ever will.

I see various government mandates to end tail pipe sales on light vehicles as closing the barn door after the horses are out. In 20 years no one is going to want to buy a clunky old stinky, high maintenance, low performance car or truck that runs on gas and that you can’t fill up at home.
Exaggeration??? Of course it is, but you tell me how you control when charging is mandated in low demand times? Rules? Yeah that'll work, ha ha, everyone always follows the rules. Timers? Everyone has different needs and who coordinates that?? California has rolling brownouts now, remember. Just a whole new bureaucracy to schedule things. Full of GS employees? Yeah, the government works efficiently now, right? Ideas are great and cheap, Tell me the details on how it works. We can't even pass a Covid relief bill.


Your assuming it will be a problem. Most utilities are not predicting any problems accommodating the extra load on the grid. One state is not an indication of any world wide shortage of power. Electric vehicles don't use that much power. Most utilities are anticipating having to add 1/2 to one percent per year of capacity over the next three decades.

Incentives by power companies to charge at certain times will be part of the future, its already happening in some places. However there is nothing stopping one from charging during peak rates.

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pigman1 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

pigman1 wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:



PS: when we talk about electricity production there is good and bad with EVs. Actual production will need to increase but production facilities (power plants) may not need to expand as much. Much can be done by charging when demand is low increasing the utilization of the power plants. For most practical purposes solar/wind are just a different type of power plant...though currently causing a lot of issues to the grid. Widespread EVs can mitigate that to a large degree because they can absorb excess demand when it's a sunny/windy day. In the long run, if those vehicles can feed back power into the grid, it could even drop the baseline power plant capability needed.
Oh, so not only will the government mandate that I need to drive an electric vehicle, it'll tell me when I can recharge it. ie: got home from work and plugged in, but my charger won't work until 5-7AM. Need a loaf of bread? Too bad no charge, so walk. Have to get to the ER because I cut my hand? Too bad . . . Wrap it up, no power, no car.

Yeah, that'll work real well. Uh-huh!


Too funny. Exaggerate much? What your describing happens no where. And there is no reason to believe it ever will.

I see various government mandates to end tail pipe sales on light vehicles as closing the barn door after the horses are out. In 20 years no one is going to want to buy a clunky old stinky, high maintenance, low performance car or truck that runs on gas and that you can’t fill up at home.
Exaggeration??? Of course it is, but you tell me how you control when charging is mandated in low demand times? Rules? Yeah that'll work, ha ha, everyone always follows the rules. Timers? Everyone has different needs and who coordinates that?? California has rolling brownouts now, remember. Just a whole new bureaucracy to schedule things. Full of GS employees? Yeah, the government works efficiently now, right? Ideas are great and cheap, Tell me the details on how it works. We can't even pass a Covid relief bill.


"tell me how you control when charging is mandated in low demand times?"

It is actually quite easy. Just make it part of the building code. No different than a separate meter for A/C that can be turned off during high demand periods.

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