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I have a 2018 Genesis Supreme toy hauler and the black tank valve is not shutting. Since it has an arctic package the valves are within the insulation area. I am wondering how the system works? I am guessing there is a cable that runs to the valve or is it a rod? Also what is the common route to the valve, from the top through the top or do I need to remove the plastic sheet on the bottom? Just looking to get some ideas before I tear into this. Thanks!

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You must access from the bottom. Cut a 3 sided panel leaving the front side intact. Four bolts hold the valve in place. Repair with Gorilla tape when done.


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Posted: 01/04/21 07:05am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

It's a lot like a bicycle brake cable (different size of course).

Typically the valve is at the side of the tank near the bottom.

Yes, to access it you need to get thru whatever they covered the bottom with. If they were nice, there is a small removable panel...but most don't do that.

Once you have access, it's pretty simple with 4 bolts holding the valve in place.


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Thanks. That lines up with what I thought. I see the propane pipe is below the plastic sheet so this will be a good challenge. I think I will replace these valves with electric units once I can get access to them. We camp at the ski resort in freezing weather so I need the valve to shut every time.

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Posted: 01/04/21 07:52am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

lamopar wrote:

Thanks. That lines up with what I thought. I see the propane pipe is below the plastic sheet so this will be a good challenge. I think I will replace these valves with electric units once I can get access to them. We camp at the ski resort in freezing weather so I need the valve to shut every time.


Replacing the manual valve with an electric one won't make it any more reliable - probably even less so (more parts and a motor to fail).

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I guess it depends on what the problem is. If it is in the cabling an electric valve might work better. If it is the valve itself replacing it with electric or another manual or cleaning up the existing might or might not solve the problem.


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lamopar wrote:

Thanks. That lines up with what I thought. I see the propane pipe is below the plastic sheet so this will be a good challenge. I think I will replace these valves with electric units once I can get access to them. We camp at the ski resort in freezing weather so I need the valve to shut every time.


Replacing the manual valve with an electric one won't make it any more reliable - probably even less so (more parts and a motor to fail).

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Agreed, you add complexity and more parts that can fail.

I would look at an easily removable panel if you are worried about it failing again. If you can get at it, it's really not a big job to pull it apart and either clean up or replace the valve. Your bigger issue is if you can't get it open because now you have a full tank and when you go to pull it apart all that waste is going to come gushing out.

They are fairly reliable if you use them regularly. Don't leave the valve in the open position except when dumping. Otherwise, crud can get into the slots the valve fits into and cause it not to seal properly.

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I have replaced valves on our previous toy hauler and yes it is very easy. I am just concerned with a cable system. This morning when looking up information on the net I found several people who stated they replaced the valve and cable and still had problems with the valve not closing. I know from my previous unit the valve had to have some good pressure to close completely. I guess that is my thought process with the electric motor version vs a cable.

We have never left the valve open. We don't camp for very long periods so getting the tank full has not been a problem.

So have any of you had good luck with a cable type system over time? I know on bikes, dirt bikes, ATVs the cables fail unless maintained with lube and still don't last long. Just wondering if this is the same case with RVs or since it is somewhat sealed not a problem? By the way, I really appreciate the feedback and information.

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Posted: 01/04/21 10:57am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Most cable systems on bikes only pull the device, a spring returns things to the original position. The dump valves depend on the stiff cable to push the blade shut, ever try pushing a rope? No lube is recommended. My thought is that there are many installations where the cable is bent too much, the specifications are in the installation manual. To add to the problem, "stuff" can flow into the area where the blade is pulled when the valve is anywhere but completely closed, IMO that is a design defect.





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lamopar wrote:

... So have any of you had good luck with a cable type system over time?


We were full-time in our previous fifth wheel for 4-1/2 years. I drained the gray tanks every 2 - 3 days and the black tank once a week. Never had any issues with the valve cables (they are a rod on either end with a flexible cable in between). Only a little over 10 months in our new rig, but so far no issues.

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