RV.Net Open Roads Forum: Travel Trailers: Toilet Mystery

RV Blog

  |  

RV Sales

  |  

Campgrounds

  |  

RV Parks

  |  

RV Club

  |  

RV Buyers Guide

  |  

Roadside Assistance

  |  

Extended Service Plan

  |  

RV Travel Assistance

  |  

RV Credit Card

  |  

RV Loans

Open Roads Forum Already a member? Login here.   If not, Register Today!  |  Help

Newest  |  Active  |  Popular  |  RVing FAQ Forum Rules  |  Forum Posting Help and Support  |  Contact  

Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Travel Trailers

Open Roads Forum  >  Travel Trailers  >  General Q&A

 > Toilet Mystery

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 3  
Prev
Sponsored By:
Huntindog

Phoenix AZ

Senior Member

Joined: 04/08/2002

View Profile



Posted: 01/08/21 03:32am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Fossil Hunter wrote:

Yesterday I took my travel trailer out of storage and moved it just a few yards to a different location. When I went into the bathroom, there was water all over the floor. When I opened the toilet, water was all the way to the top, thankfully I clean my tanks well and the water was clear. I flushed the toilet and the water went back to the tank. There can't be more than a couple of gallons in the tank as I usually add a couple of gallons with chemicals after emptying the tank.
I have never had this happen before, what could have happened?
Thank you in advance for your help.


The way I read this, when he flushed the toilet, it emptied into the black tank. So it is not full.
It pretty much has to be a leaking toilet valve.



Huntindog
100% boondocking
2021 Grand Design Momentum 398M
2 bathrooms, no waiting
104 gal grey, 104 black,158 fresh
Full Body Paint, 3, 8K axles, Disc Brakes
17.5 LRH commercial tires
540 watts solar,
2020 Silverado High Country CC DA 4X4 Big Dually.



am1958

SE Michigan

Senior Member

Joined: 04/10/2014

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 01/08/21 05:16am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

A storm in a "teacup" perchance?

schlep1967

Harrisburg, PA

Senior Member

Joined: 12/08/2005

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 01/08/21 07:14am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

So it is not coming from the plumbing.
It did not come from the black tank.
It did not come from the sky.

I'd consider it a biblical event as in, "only the Lord knows how that could happen" and check the toilet daily to see if it starts to fill again.


2008 Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel
2009 Open Range 385RLS
Pull-Rite Super Glide

kellem

Shenandoah valley,VA

Senior Member

Joined: 05/07/2007

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 01/08/21 05:02pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Ok, somebody was quarantining in trailer? Unbeknownst to owners?

GrandpaKip

Flat Rock

Senior Member

Joined: 06/18/2013

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member

Offline
Posted: 01/09/21 08:00am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Lots and lots of condensation. Only in the toilet.
It’s a murkle. You shouldn’t have flushed it. May be holy water.


Kip
2015 Skyline Dart 214RB
2018 Silverado Double Cab 4x4
Andersen Hitch

JBarca

Radnor, Ohio, USA

Senior Member

Joined: 12/16/2004

View Profile





Offline
Posted: 01/09/21 02:59pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Fossil Hunter wrote:

Thanks for the replies so far.
Toilet lid was closed. Black tank only has a couple of gallons in it.
Water pump and fresh tank are never used, I only camp with hook ups.
Vent has no leaks. Pipe cap is intact on roof with no leeks.
My cleaning procedure is as follows:
Dump black completely, let run for a few minutes via black flush sprayer, when finished I close the black valve and do a 60 second count with black flush running to put a couple of gallon back in black tank. Turn off black tank sprayer.
Go into trailer, open toilet and pour in bottle of blue chemical.
Close empty toilet lid. It bugs me that the water was clear, and not blue tinted from the chemical...... The black tank is not full, when I flushed the toilet, the clear water fell into tank as normal.
To me, the water could not have come from the black tank. No water pump either, lid closed, no leaks from above. Sounds crazy but these are the facts.



This one is for sure interesting. A few questions.

1. You stated you always camp with full hookup's. Do you drain the water heater or the camper fresh water piping through the low point drains before you put the camper in storage?

2. If you leave the water in the system, (water heater and piping full of water) when you put it in storage, was the LP gas left on? and possibly the water heater on gas?

3. How much time (days etc) passed from the time you stored the camper until you found the issue?

4. Is your water heater a 6 gallon or 10 gallon heater?

5. What brand, year and model is your camper?


I will pass this along to help the cause. We have the china bowl Sealand toilet. Traveler lite model. We camp most all the time with onboard tanks. At the start of camp I need to put 3 gallons of water into my black tank (it is a big flat tank) to get some starter water in the bottom so stuff floats and does not stick when you flush.

It takes 1.5 gallons of water to fill the bowl up to the bottom of the cast rim. This is still about 1.5" down from overflow. Then I flush it and add a second fill to the bottom of the rim and flush it to get all 3 gallons in.

Point: In order to overflow your toilet bowl, it will take approx. 1.5 to 2 gallons of water most likely regardless of brand. If the the bowl was dry or drained when you flushed it after you put the chemical in when you last put it in storage, then where did 2 plus gallons of clear water come from to get into the bowl? This is more to point out, this is not a little amount of leaking in water, this is a lot of leaking in water.

With a vented black tank, I'm not sure water could even back up the flush valve into the bowl if it wanted too. The bowl seal is normally water tight, since the tank is vented, where is the pressure coming from to back blast water up from the black tank? if the tank even had water in it.

For sure, post what ever this come out to be.

John


John & Cindy

2005 Ford F350 Super Duty, 4x4; 6.8L V10 with 4.10
CC, SB, Lariat & FX4 package
21,000 GCWR, 11,000 GVWR
Ford Tow Command
1,700# Reese HP hitch & HP Dual Cam
2 1/2" Towbeast Receiver

2004 Sunline Solaris T310SR
(I wish we were camping!)


BurbMan

Islip, Long Island

Senior Member

Joined: 09/20/2001

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 01/09/21 03:28pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

GrandpaKip wrote:

You shouldn’t have flushed it. May be holy water.


[image]


2015 Ram 3500 SRW 4x4 Laramie Crew Cab Long Box, Cummins diesel
2002 Lance 811 Slide-In Camper
SOLD: 2008 Terry 34' TT
SOLD: 2001 K2500LT 8.1L Suburban

Lance 811 Renovation Story!
Project Complete!
Maiden Voyage!


CavemanCharlie

Storden,MN

Senior Member

Joined: 03/01/2012

View Profile


Offline
Posted: 01/11/21 05:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Fossil Hunter wrote:

Thanks for the replies so far.
Toilet lid was closed. Black tank only has a couple of gallons in it.
Water pump and fresh tank are never used, I only camp with hook ups.
Vent has no leaks. Pipe cap is intact on roof with no leeks.
My cleaning procedure is as follows:
Dump black completely, let run for a few minutes via black flush sprayer, when finished I close the black valve and do a 60 second count with black flush running to put a couple of gallon back in black tank. Turn off black tank sprayer.
Go into trailer, open toilet and pour in bottle of blue chemical.
Close empty toilet lid. It bugs me that the water was clear, and not blue tinted from the chemical...... The black tank is not full, when I flushed the toilet, the clear water fell into tank as normal.
To me, the water could not have come from the black tank. No water pump either, lid closed, no leaks from above. Sounds crazy but these are the facts.


Well, the only thing left is Gremlins or maybe the Space Aliens that put that monolith thing in the desert.

Lynnmor

Red Lion

Senior Member

Joined: 07/16/2011

View Profile



Good Sam RV Club Member


Posted: 01/12/21 06:49am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I didn't see where he ever drained the fresh water tank. Just because he "never" uses it doesn't mean that it is empty. A faulty check valve or other faults can fill it when connected to city water.





JBarca

Radnor, Ohio, USA

Senior Member

Joined: 12/16/2004

View Profile





Offline
Posted: 01/12/21 08:53am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Lynnmor wrote:

I didn't see where he ever drained the fresh water tank. Just because he "never" uses it doesn't mean that it is empty. A faulty check valve or other faults can fill it when connected to city water.


Your point about water leak back into the fresh tank is spot on. I have seen it happen. The owner saw water dripping down the side of the camper from the fresh tank vent line. He was on full hook ups. I asked, does your water pump burp off every now and then when when you are using the on board fresh tank and no one is using water? He said yes it does. I explained the issue and the leaking check and to see if his fresh tank was full. Yup, to the tippy top and beyond... he was shocked as he himself never filled it.

But, there is always one of those, Hunters water pump would have to have been left on when in storage for the filled fresh tank water to get to the toilet. Most have a red light on the switch to let you know the pump is activated. Maybe he missed the light. But, the battery would need to be connected too while in storage, most unhook the battery, but maybe he has shore power and was on the power converter or a battery minder.

But there is this, he stated his routine after dumping was to pour chemical in the toilet.

Fossil Hunter wrote:


Go into trailer, open toilet and pour in bottle of blue chemical.
Close empty toilet lid. It bugs me that the water was clear, and not blue tinted from the chemical...... The black tank is not full, when I flushed the toilet, the clear water fell into tank as normal.
To me, the water could not have come from the black tank. No water pump either, lid closed, no leaks from above. Sounds crazy but these are the facts.


If he did that chemical add the time before this overflow event, then he had to push the pedal to open the ball and let the chemical in. If the pump was on, or pressure in the lines of a filled fresh water system, water would of come in the bowl when he was adding the chemical and not let up. That is hard to miss. We are looking for a 2 gallon or more condition to overflow the bowl. This one is mind boggling.

I've seen strange things happen before, like a filled gray tank backing up in the kitchen sink rather then the shower that is 2ft lower, but that odd ball thing had a real reason due to the unique grey tank vent plumbing. It took a while to sort that out.

I hope Hunter reports back. I believe him at this point, it may have happened, but we need more dialog to figure this out. He may have missed one of his normal steps, we do not know enough about the whole situation to rule out the fresh water system yet. That to me seems to be the logical place if the roof did not leak it in.

I also know, I have had senior moments too and forgot some bone head things, but I have come to grips with the fact the memory is not as great as it use to be.

Hunter, where are you? We need your help to figure this out.

Reply to Topic  |  Subscribe  |  Print Topic  |  Post New Topic  | 
Page of 3  
Prev

Open Roads Forum  >  Travel Trailers  >  General Q&A

 > Toilet Mystery
Search:   Advanced Search

Search only in Travel Trailers


New posts No new posts
Closed, new posts Closed, no new posts
Moved, new posts Moved, no new posts

Adjust text size:




© 2021 CWI, Inc. © 2021 Good Sam Enterprises, LLC. All Rights Reserved.