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Posted: 01/09/21 09:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I was a ski patroller for backcountry skiing. I starting bring my pickup and huge pickup camper. Stud all the way around on the truck tires.
Many time the parking lot would be solid ice and snow. I made different size ramps out of 2 x 10's. The bottom had many hex head screws. They are stronger then the tip of the screw. I would drive up onto the ramps till the camper was level. Sometimes the ramp would get so frozen into the ice, there was no getting it out. It stayed and I would make more. KEN


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I’d just keep driving south.


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The best chocks on snow and ice are Ski Chalets.


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Something I always think of when I see/hear of a RV trailer set down with out wheel on the jack;.....


Have you seen a lot of TT with jack wheels?

My TT did not come with a wheel on the jack... same with everyone we know with a TT.

A few people I've talked to, including RV dealers, said they don't want a jack wheel to help prevent the TT from moving.

The only trailers that I always see jack wheels on are boat trailers.


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Skinny D wrote:

noteven wrote:

To release them drive off and then give them a couple gentle hits with something heavy - chunk of firewood - to break them free. If you overdid the hot water freeze in you might have to use hot water to thaw them free again.


My 2x6s froze to the ground last time... only seemed to contact ground/ice on 1 of 6 sides, but I COULD NOT break free a few of them. The ice was stronger than the doug fir and I just hammered off pieces of wood, and ended up just leaving some wood frozen to the ground.


Ya wood is porous and will really freeze down. Wood does not conduct heat from hot water very well for that thawing method either. I had plastic lego levelling blocks in the mind.

The mechanical ice pick method (screws) is better with wood.

I fought with levelling on snow and ice once. I park on the tires now.

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Tvov wrote:

JRscooby wrote:

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Something I always think of when I see/hear of a RV trailer set down with out wheel on the jack;.....


Have you seen a lot of TT with jack wheels?

My TT did not come with a wheel on the jack... same with everyone we know with a TT.

A few people I've talked to, including RV dealers, said they don't want a jack wheel to help prevent the TT from moving.

The only trailers that I always see jack wheels on are boat trailers.


My camper has a wheel. I put wheel on Dad's TT, and a pair on his 5th wheel. My tool trailer has a wheel. None of the others do, because I don't level them. If I unhook the car trailer when loaded, then what to hook with another TV, need to adjust the height, I use a dolly under bottle jack.
As far as the factory not installing one; How often do you see the factories spend a dime to increase the life of a trailer?
As for the dealers, do they level the campers? And if they have issue, it is much cheaper and likely pass cost to factory.
Back in the days before semi-trailers had spring brakes they had wheels on the landing gear. The idea was if a driver did not hook up air lines, and apply brakes, before backing under the trailer might move, but the legs would not collapse, dropping trailer on nose.

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The last TT I had with a hitch wheel was my 63 Shasta 16'.

That same old Shasta did not have the tongue weight that today's units do. I could literally pick up the front of the trailer with one hand and use my other hand to push it around. I did it all the time.
When it was on the wheel, it was a breeze to position it, as long as the wheel was not on dirt or grass.

I never see any modern day TTs with a wheel. All of them have the jack only and go on blocks of some sort.

Today's TTs have a much heavier tongue weight and will crush a standard hitch wheel, unless you have one with extreme weight capacity. The challenge is that in order to steer it, the wheel is usually offset, putting the load on the side rather than directly above the wheel. They may make them, I've never seen one.

My Tango has something like 850 pounds tongue weight. Good luck putting a wheel under that and try moving it around. Not happening.

I had a converted landscape trailer that I built a mobile solarium showroom display with. I had a 3 point electric dolly to move it in and out of homeshow venues. It struggled, but worked good only on level concrete.
I once put a hitch wheel under it and tried moving it. The hitch wheel failed and collapsed. Tongue weight was maybe 250 - 300 pounds.

Running a hitch jack directly into ice will work well if done properly. When I chock my wheels, I always put my truck in neutral, take my foot off the brake pedal for a moment, and let the trailer load up against the chocks before disconnecting. There should be no issue with bending the jack if the chocks are done solidly prior to unhitching.

I personally would not want a wheel under my hitch. Manoever it into position and leave it there.


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Posted: 01/10/21 12:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My Roughneck travel trailer weighs 1250-1300lbs on the hitch. I think a wheel on the jack would go stuck ...

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I have known for decades how to chock a vehicle under any conditions. But it is more fun to think about stuff like this than the end of the county.


BobsYourUncle wrote:


I personally would not want a wheel under my hitch. Manoever it into position and leave it there.


Note I never suggested using the wheel to maneuver the trailer. In fact a friend that turns his little TT crosswise in garage to store, I built a dolly with 4 casters and a ball the same height as TV. He can unhook, lower the coupler on the ball, and push to where he wants it with no strain on jack.
What I suggest is a roller to allow the base to move the distance necessary to eliminate the flex that will happen when you adjust the height of tongue.


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Now in my mind I see a triangle, where the weight meets ground at tire, (A) where the jack meets ground, (B) and where jack is attached to tongue. (C). Now the point A should be set so it can't move when you unhook, or the trailer can roll away. And the distance A-C is set when trailer built/loaded. The angle at C is set when the jack is mounted. When you crank the jack down to unhook, you set the lengths of A-B and B-C. But a RV trailer, we want the floor level, so we start changing the length of B-C. With a wheel at B, that lets the length A-B also change, no issue. But the angle at C takes more force as the length A-B resists the change in length.


Let me make a couple of points. First, I understand "gee-I'm-a-tree," as a blend of math and science, is hated by most people that call themselves educated. And I was pretty much thru with school before high school.
But with what I have learned in life I know that if you change the length of 1 side of a triangle, then the length of at least 1 other side or all 3 angles must change. Most times I complete the triangle to hold 1 angle in place. I'm not educated enough to tell you how much things would change, but I bet a engineer could.
In my example above, if the angle at B was 90 degrees, (not likely) with a calculator and the length A-B and B-C I could tell you how long A-C is. Just trumping up some numbers; 90 at B, tire to jack base (A-B) of 15 feet, and the jack base to mount (B-C) of 2 ft. Crank the jack down to 18 inches, and the distance A to C would change over half inch, and the angles at both ends would also change. But when the trailer is built/loaded both the length A to C is set. And the angle at C is set. So if you also do not let length A-B change as B-C changes something else must change. And I'm sure the ground doesn't bend. I bet the jack, and or where it mounts is what flexes.

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bucky wrote:

The best chocks on snow and ice are Ski Chalets.


You had me searching for Ski Chalet as a brand of chock. I get your point. But then, the place I go has no highfalutin chalet... only a parking lot. And I have a TT that offers numerous conveniences admittedly at the cost of some other inconveniences.

With infinite resources, we could all be infinitely endowed so we wouldn't need the input on a forum like this. I don't live in that world.

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