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valhalla360

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Posted: 01/13/21 10:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Boomerweps wrote:


GM DOES have a complete towing specs sticker on the door frame now, pretty cool. Ford needs to get with the program.


Ford is with the program. They do put the payload sticker on the door jam.

The OP is looking at "slide in truck camper" weight limits which are different and generally lower than the payload.


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ronharmless wrote:

Let's get back to the practical instead of the hyperbole. A Lawyer ain't going to sue you for exceeding your GVWR because he can't prove his case. Lacking real numbers from a real scale, all he has is speculation. But if he wants to sue you, he will. He'll sue you for failing to stop in time, running the red light, speeding, whatever he comes up with that has some witnesses or provable facts behind it.

Exactly. In a wreck, debris is scattered everywhere. Sorry, there is no chance that the police will be able to definitively prove that this particular pile of debris was absolutely from your vehicle. In some wrecks, that can be hundreds of pounds of debris, spread over large areas.

Its MUCH easier to prove negligence due to speed, distraction or failure to properly maintain a vehicle. Tires a little bald, or maybe starting to get dry rotted? Are your pads low, or maybe your rotors are warped which prevented you from slowing as efficiently? How's that brake fluid, is it dirty and thus able to be compressed slightly, causing you to brake slightly slower? When was the last time you changed your rubber brake lines, is it possible that they stretched slightly and caused your braking time to suffer?

Lets check your cell phone history, did you send or receive a text/phone call while you were driving? Maybe you adjusted your GPS settings while going down the road? "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, clearly the driver was prone to fiddling with electronics rather than paying full time and attention to driving..."

Did you stop at a food establishment shortly before the wreck? Did you have a partial bottle of soda in your truck at the time of wreck? "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, clearly the driver was distracted by eating/drinking while moving down the road in excess of a safe speed, causing a momentary distraction that led to this collision".

Even if you are below the speed limit, you can still be traveling too fast for road conditions.

All of those arguments are easier to make than trying to convince a jury that maybe the vehicle was overloaded...


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^ But where's the fun in that?
It's way funner to sit around and play CSI RVNET and preach the same weight nonsense over and over.

And over.

And over.

And over.

And over.

I've tried to refrain from explaining in these types of threads, however inevitably, it's started by someone who is totally impressionable and not knowledgeable and doesn't need to be mis-lead that they need a 1 ton diesel to tow their 26' trailer or a big dooley for a moderate size TC.


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What if the driver being sued is towing a 15,000 pound model trailer behind a pickup rated for 8,000 pounds? Would "debris" still be needed? What if he had just been on the Internet asking how to tame a nasty trailer sway condition? Too many variables for the armchair lawyers.

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valhalla360 wrote:

Boomerweps wrote:


GM DOES have a complete towing specs sticker on the door frame now, pretty cool. Ford needs to get with the program.


Ford is with the program. They do put the payload sticker on the door jam.


No, they aren’t. Payload sticker is truck payload only and tongue weight becomes part of that payload. Important in towing considerations, yes.

GM has an actual towing sticker stating towing capacity on the specific truck. They have a payload sticker, too, as required by law now. Towing sticker 2019 lists GCWR, GVWR, GAWR RR, Max Payload, Max tongue weight, curb weight. 2020 got reformatted and added Max conventional towing weight, tongue weight, gooseneck Max tow, tongue weight.

This could also be covered by a GCWR sticker, which now has to reverse calculated using the Ford towing Guide ;(

Love my F150, Ford is my go to vehicle manufacturer, but they could do so much better.

* This post was edited 01/13/21 03:32pm by Boomerweps *


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Boomerweps wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

Boomerweps wrote:


GM DOES have a complete towing specs sticker on the door frame now, pretty cool. Ford needs to get with the program.


Ford is with the program. They do put the payload sticker on the door jam.


No, they aren’t. Payload sticker is truck payload only and tongue weight becomes part of that payload. Important in towing considerations, yes.

GM has an actual towing sticker stating towing capacity on the specific truck. They have a payload sticker, too, as required by law now. Towing sticker 2019 lists GCWR, GVWR, GAWR RR, Max Payload, Max tongue weight, curb weight. 2020 got reformatted and added Max conventional towing weight, tongue weight, gooseneck Max tow, tongue weight.

This could also be covered by a GCWR sticker, which now has to reverse calculated using the Ford towing Guide ;(

Love my F150, Ford is my go to vehicle manufacturer, but they could do so much better.


The OP wasn't complaining about finding the tow rating. They were complaining about the PAYLOAD (which is on the door jam)...then referencing an unrelated number.

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Tom,
As you state, too many variables. Such as my 2000 GM 2500. As it sits, wieghs 4700 lbs, vortec 350 auto with 410 gear, gcwr 13500, tow rating 8500.
Change out motor to a vortec 454, 4.56 gears, might wieght 100-150 lbs more, gcwr is 20,000 iirc, at minimum 19,000 lbs.
If one is following the other, both pulling identical trailers, would you be able to honestly tell me one was overloaded? If I had to go thru s wieght scale, retired CVEO wadcutter was in scale house, would he know by looking at trucks, one was over loaded? Both would be under manufactures axel ratings, both truck and trailer, both would or should be under bridge law requirements. Both should stop in the same distance. Only real difference would be on a 3% freeway grade, the 454 rig should go faster, and start on a steeper grade than the rig with a 350. Neither is less or more safe than the other.
If your swaying, that is a moving violation. You would red tagged, can not move the rig until you can show it does not sway. If pulled over in a no parking area, a low boy will be called in to haul you off the freeway! An expensive ticket day towing.
Weight violations generally speaking, mean squat!

Except to RV.net wieght police!

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Who says debris gets spread around in every RV wreck?
All one has to do is rear end someone at a stop sign/light and cause injury.
Only thing messed up is the front of the truck/SUV. The trailer would still be 100% intact.

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Who says debris gets spread around in every RV wreck?
All one has to do is rear end someone at a stop sign/light and cause injury.
Only thing messed up is the front of the truck/SUV. The trailer would still be 100% intact.

Exactly and you don't have to be a CSI detective to see that the 2500 SRW truck is overloaded pulling that 42'toy hauler, based on its GVW figures.
Would not take much to find towing parameters and ratings for the combo involved. It's really not that complicated.


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goducks10 wrote:

Who says debris gets spread around in every RV wreck?
All one has to do is rear end someone at a stop sign/light and cause injury.
Only thing messed up is the front of the truck/SUV. The trailer would still be 100% intact.

And in that situation is it because you are overloaded or because you are going too fast, or are too distracted?

And before you give me the dumb answer, a trailer, even overloaded for the truck, has its own brakes that are required to be sufficient to stop its weight. Besides, in a simple rear end injury wreck, who is coming out and weighing a truck and trailer?

I'm a cop. I spent 16 years on the road and would be the guy investigating that wreck. I'm not pulling out scales or checking weights, etc. You guys live in a fantasy world where cops have time for that nonsense and the ambulance chasing attorney's are sitting at intersections waiting for a wreck to happen.

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