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.... For starters, I would stop buying antique tires built up with multiple cotton plys. [emoticon] .....


I'm pretty sure only a few people got that joke!


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I came out this morning and the left tire on my utility trailer was dead flat. Just came back from a 260 mile round trip, and it was up and fine when I went to bed last night.

The valve stem failed catastrophically during the night. Glad it didn't happen on the road.

Would the tire have sustained any damage from just going flat in the driveway? Tire is only 2 years old.


The risk here is that there may be damage inside. The safe thing to do is replace the tire.

If you reinflate the tire (do this carefully!!) and see sidewall ripples, replace the tire.

If you reinflate the tire and don't see sidewall ripples, that doesn't mean the tire is good. It means you don't know!


Can you replace the valve stem without breaking down the tire? While you have it open, look inside for the unlikely damage.
BTW, don't put off taking care of it. At least jack the weight off it.

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valhalla360 wrote:

.... For starters, I would stop buying antique tires built up with multiple cotton plys. [emoticon] .....


I'm pretty sure only a few people got that joke!


Probably. Heck even the letter grades are outdated. They give the load ratings in pounds in the modern world and that's what counts.


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The chance it sitting flat, stationary, did any damage is really small, not worth buying a tire if it's only 2 years old. That's just silly.

And no, you cant replace the stem without breaking a bead, although only need to break 1 bead and it doesn't need to go over the rim, so pretty easy driveway fix with a jack, wood block, and your trailer hitch on your truck.

Unless you replace it with a Colby valve, which are really handy, although quite expensive and IMO, better reserved for emergency repairs.


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And no, you cant replace the stem without breaking a bead, although only need to break 1 bead and it doesn't need to go over the rim, so pretty easy driveway fix with a jack, wood block, and your trailer hitch on your truck.


I don't think anybody asking if the tire was ruined would consider breaking their own tire down. And most would not have the ability to deliver the volume of air in the short amount of time needed to seat the bead. So likely he will take wheel and tire to shop. The extra cost to inspect might be worth it for piece of mind.

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valhalla360 wrote:

.... For starters, I would stop buying antique tires built up with multiple cotton plys. [emoticon] .....


I'm pretty sure only a few people got that joke!


Probably. Heck even the letter grades are outdated. They give the load ratings in pounds in the modern world and that's what counts.


I think you mean Load Index. The load rating in pounds has been required for over 50 years - when tires came under federal regulation about 1970. Load Ranges were in effect at that time.

And this is where it gets complicated. The Europeans came up with the idea of Load Index, but they still use Ply Rating, not Load Ranges. It's complicated because most tire manufacturers use all 3 on the sidewall (with some exceptions.)

Not to mention that it is also a federal requirement to indicate what the tire is made out of (aside from rubber), so the sidewall will typically say something like: "Sidewall: 2 plies polyester Tread: 2 plies polyester, 2 plies steel, 2 plies polyamide"

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JRscooby wrote:

I don't think anybody asking if the tire was ruined would consider breaking their own tire down. And most would not have the ability to deliver the volume of air in the short amount of time needed to seat the bead. So likely he will take wheel and tire to shop. The extra cost to inspect might be worth it for piece of mind.


Well, you'd be wrong on that one. I do most of my own tire work from trailer tires to large tractor tires.

Normally I would just replace the valve stem and go on with my day without a second thought, but then I thought twice. So I asked. A tire guy would say absolutely, you must replace BOTH tires, because they want to sell tires.


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Grit dog wrote:

The chance it sitting flat, stationary, did any damage is really small, not worth buying a tire if it's only 2 years old. That's just silly.

And no, you cant replace the stem without breaking a bead, although only need to break 1 bead and it doesn't need to go over the rim, so pretty easy driveway fix with a jack, wood block, and your trailer hitch on your truck.

Unless you replace it with a Colby valve, which are really handy, although quite expensive and IMO, better reserved for emergency repairs.
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Grit dog wrote:


Unless you replace it with a Colby valve, which are really handy, although quite expensive and IMO, better reserved for emergency repairs.


Colby valve- Now that is neat. Thanks!


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Posted: 01/16/21 04:56pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Had a few minutes today. Getting the bead to seat was the easy part of the job.

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