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StirCrazy

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Posted: 01/21/21 06:48am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mgsulkis wrote:



To summarize what I think I'm hearing:



2. 2500-3500 trucks don't differ much in terms of hauling capacity or GVWR - maybe a couple hundred pounds in a lot of cases. I need to pay attention to the tires and wheels to ensure they are rated for the weight.




not nessasarly true. you CAN get a 2500 that has a special package that will bring it close to the 3500 but for normal trucks with out lucking on one that has been a special order or ordering a brandnew one this isnt a practical way to go. just look for a 3500/f350 , check the specks on the ones your looking at to see the payload package. the camper is only 1/2 the issue, you also have the wight of the people and anything else you put in the camper so realy you looking at 1000-1200 lbs more than the camper depending on family size and how much junk you pack [emoticon]

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You need to compare specific models to have full picture.
In 2017 Ford switched to aluminum beds and other diet, who made the trucks 500 lb lighter.
That gives you additional 500lb for camper weight.
Did not hear other manufacturers did that.





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StirCrazy wrote:



not nessasarly true. you CAN get a 2500 that has a special package that will bring it close to the 3500
Steve


^ Somewhat correct, although it's still all fuzzy math with no meaningful physical changes to the vehicles themselves. (Although the Ford Camper package option still appears to add some spring capacity to F250s)
Aside from that, it's all just numbers, no substance for the various ratings. And inconsistent in application.
Example, F250, typical 10kgvw, but optional up to 10.8k or 10.9k, but only with the diesel. Yet the new F350 SRWs dont get above 11.3 or 11.5k, whereas Ram and GM have srws rated in the low 12k's.
And I'm confident when I say none of the brands have meaningful changes that would make them more or less capable within the weights we're talking about, or at all really.

That's why these discussions are so fun. and why some of us try to explain this, to keep folks who don't understand or, frankly, care from chasing their tails.
It could be construed as a sales ploy by the mfgs to boost sales by people who "have" to upgrade their "wimpy" 10k gvw 3/4 ton to a "big strong" 11-12+k gvw 1 ton.
Sale #1 "That F250 will haul anything!" Buyer has big grin on his face from the new truck smell. Buyer looks to use the truck for truck stuff and reads the door sticker and has doubts. Talks to dealer, dealer says "Oh no, I wish your almost new F250 could haul that, but alas, look at the payload....we'll give you a good trade in on this shiny new new F350 sittin over here and THEN you'll be safe!"


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One thing I haven't seen mentioned are the OEM rims. Their usually rated in the neighborhood of the rear axle.

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Grit dog wrote:

StirCrazy wrote:



not nessasarly true. you CAN get a 2500 that has a special package that will bring it close to the 3500
Steve


^ Somewhat correct, although it's still all fuzzy math with no meaningful physical changes to the vehicles themselves. (Although the Ford Camper package option still appears to add some spring capacity to F250s)
Aside from that, it's all just numbers, no substance for the various ratings. And inconsistent in application.
Example, F250, typical 10kgvw, but optional up to 10.8k or 10.9k, but only with the diesel. Yet the new F350 SRWs dont get above 11.3 or 11.5k, whereas Ram and GM have srws rated in the low 12k's.
And I'm confident when I say none of the brands have meaningful changes that would make them more or less capable within the weights we're talking about, or at all really.

That's why these discussions are so fun. and why some of us try to explain this, to keep folks who don't understand or, frankly, care from chasing their tails.
It could be construed as a sales ploy by the mfgs to boost sales by people who "have" to upgrade their "wimpy" 10k gvw 3/4 ton to a "big strong" 11-12+k gvw 1 ton.
Sale #1 "That F250 will haul anything!" Buyer has big grin on his face from the new truck smell. Buyer looks to use the truck for truck stuff and reads the door sticker and has doubts. Talks to dealer, dealer says "Oh no, I wish your almost new F250 could haul that, but alas, look at the payload....we'll give you a good trade in on this shiny new new F350 sittin over here and THEN you'll be safe!"


generaly the f250 amd f350 of the same year have the same weight in that configuration so that extra 2000 lbs that you can get is all payload. I do know for my old 99 f250 the leave springs were the only thing different in that year and my 14 f350 has a different spring pack than the f250, other than that they are the same and with in 30 lbs dry weight. so if that 3/4 tone was rated to 10K, and my 350 of the same year is rated to 11.5K then that extra 1.5K is all payload capacity . but thats not the only reason for buying a f350. here where I live we have a luxery vehicle tax which is bassed off the value of the vehicle. 1 ton trucks are exempt from this tax which actualy makes them cheeper than a 3/4 ton truc so 3/4 ton truck are rather rare up here. so in my case I spent less money to get more leagal payload capacity, unlike the US we cant just pay for more capacity on our registration to make us leagal, we actualy have to be with in the numbers. [emoticon]

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^ And yet another reason why there's so many 1 tons vs 3/4 tons in BC.
So similar, yet different regulation as the US, largely unrelated to the vehicle's capacity that is financially motivated.

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Dont go with Ram 2500 with coil springs, I have one and got a camper for it, had to put air bags on it and still wish i just had leaf springs. it handles the weight fine although it is just an 8ft camper but the rocking side to side is what is bad with the coil springs.

* This post was edited 01/25/21 09:36am by kirkl *


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capacitor wrote:

I dad the same 845 on a GMC 2500HD gas and added the air bags. Worked fine for 6years, no problems. The 845 is for a shortbed truck and I don’t recall a 3500 in a shortbed.


The standard bed is now 6'6" and the short bed is 5'7" and the long bed is 8' for trucks made in the last 20 years. Where it gets complicated is that a crew cab will not be available with a 8' bed. With my 2011 Chevy pickup the 2500 model was available with an extended / double cab and the standard 6'6" bed, but the 3500 was only available with the crew cab and a short bed.

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wintersun wrote:

With the Chevy/GM/Ram trucks there is no difference between the 2500 and 3500 trucks other than the number of rear leaf springs in the pack and whether you can get DRW on the truck as DRW available only with the 3500 models.


Negative!!
2014-and-up 2500 Rams have a coil spring rear suspension. It would be fine, BUT - they mounted the coils inboard of the frame.
That effectively gives the chassis a very narrow platform and it’s inherently unstable with a top-heavy load like a camper.
The 3500s have leaves like every other 3/4 or 1-ton pickup, the advantage being they’re mounted outboard off the frame rails, effectively giving the chassis a wider stance and they’re much better with a camper.

A friend of mine gave up his Chevy Duramax and bought one of those coil spring 2500 Rams. He put his camper in and it pretty much tried to kill him.
He turned around and went back home and never loaded the camper on that thing again.


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A friend of mine gave up his Chevy Duramax and bought one of those coil spring 2500 Rams. He put his camper in and it pretty much tried to kill him.
He turned around and went back home and never loaded the camper on that thing again.


That's a pretty expensive lesson to learn. [emoticon]


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