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Posted: 01/30/21 08:38am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Don't EV require between 50-100 kWh to fully charge the battery (0-100%)? Multiply that by 100 million, and it is "danger danger Will Robinson".

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Don't EV require between 50-100 kWh to fully charge the battery (0-100%)? Multiply that by 100 million, and it is "danger danger Will Robinson".


Good morning. No. A typical commute in North America is about 50 KM or roughly 8 KW of power. Equate it to your gas tank. You may have a 20 gallon tank but do you fill it every day? Probably not. The most commonly sold EV's now have 400 to 550 kilometers of range so they may only charge once a week. Or every night for an hour.

This is why power companies are not worried about the immediate impact on neighborhood infrastructure. Many who buy an electric car just charge with the 120 volt 15 amp receptacle in their driveway or garage. We did that for a couple years with no issues. We eventually upgraded...just because. But it really made no difference. The car still charges between 1 and 5 in the morning, its just done charging after 45 minutes now. [emoticon]

We have since sold this car, but it was my daily commuter for years. You can see it connected to our soffit christmas light 120 volt 15 amp outlet.

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California is the 3rd largest electricity producer--behind Texas and Florida, and #1 in solar, geothermal and biomass) has rolling blackouts every summer because the demand for electricity exceeds production.
You keep repeating this lie. Please provide a link.


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Posted: 01/30/21 09:51am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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Certainly interesting for sure. Lots of things to consider though...
Where is the power coming from? Clean renewable energy is great to hope for, but unrealistic to power the entire world. Maybe PV tech will make leaps and bounds.
How are we storing excess power? Manufacturing of batteries is a high cost, financially and in resources and waste. Tesla has greatly improved batteries, but my yearly 200 mile round trip to Florida would require a LOT of battery charging or swapping.
COST? New technology is expensive. You need significant buy-in to bring the price down per vehicle. This being GM, and with Biden's federal fleet program, I'm sure that our tax dollars will be spent subsidizing this program, but at what cost?

Again, interesting idea and I'm hopeful for new innovations. I always wonder why we don't have more technology like our trains are doing with diesel electric engines.


Did you mean 2000 mile round trip? A 200 mile round trip can be fine by pretty much every EV on the North American market with no charging. Typo?


I would like to know of that shortcut to get from DC to florida in 100 miles. the same math is being used in these fanciful dreaming ideas.
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Well, I don’t know the geography of the US much. But if it’s a typo and it’s supposed to be a 2000 mile return trip that is 1000 miles each way. So probably two days there and two days back. So no sweat for the most commonly sold EV’s today. Take a 20 minute lunch break at a supercharger and you are good to go. We do that kind of sceenario. We stay at a hotel with destination chargers. Leave full in the morning. Too easy.


Out west a 1000 mile trip is often a 1 day deal, we've done it a bunch even with young children and towing. That's not doable with an EV, towing or not.


1000 miles is totally doable in an EV. That’s like 1600 km. Why wouldn’t it be. That’s like an17 or18 hour road trip. You are going to take breaks. Just charge on your breaks. A mile road trip doesn’t take us any longer in our Tesla than our old Jeep Grand Cherokee. I can’t imagine ever travelling 1600 km in one day but it wouldn’t be a problem.


Have you ever been to the western US? There aren't gas stations let alone EV stations in the intervals you'd need them to try to attempt a 1000 mile slog through, say, Nevada or eastern Oregon or Idaho or Montana or lots of other places. Throw towing in the mix and it becomes more of an impossibility. The support infrastructure just isn't there. I'm sure this is much less of a problem in the eastern US or Europe.

If you're talking about an around town commuter, I see a place for an EV right now. They're not widely available in sizes that work for most families yet, but that shouldn't take long. Without a green electrical grid I'm not sure how much it moves the needle, though.


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I just wish they would keep this "carbon neutral" bs out of the discussion. Just because you purchase credits that allow pollution what is really being solved? I bet if I kicked someone in the $@@#'s but had a ball kicking credit the recipient would not consider that neutral.

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Have you ever been to the western US? There aren't gas stations let alone EV stations in the intervals you'd need them to try to attempt a 1000 mile slog through, say, Nevada or eastern Oregon or Idaho or Montana or lots of other places. Throw towing in the mix and it becomes more of an impossibility. The support infrastructure just isn't there. I'm sure this is much less of a problem in the eastern US or Europe.
The 1000 miles on main highways would actually be easier than you think. The charging stations are there. Even in the west. Although there are certainly some remote areas that would be a challenge but the main highways are covered.

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Electric vehicles are here to stay and will actually make in roads into combustion engine areas. There is always going to be some market for the Gas and Diesel engine. Let the market decide,dont mandate it. Tesla gave EV a big boost because they manufactured a decent choice, something with style and performance. The previous bunch of electric cars were ugly as sin. I wouldnt drive one but I would a Tesla. Plus they pushed the charging stations. Now we are seeing electric pickups which we need. They are not for everybody but people will seriously look at them as more variations are brought out.


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Oil has a multitude of uses. Burning it up to go to Walmart five miles away may not be the best use. I can take my trash to the dumpster with my pickup, my golf cart, or walk. Which is the best use of oil?

Farm ground has a multitude of uses. Building strip malls and parking lots may not be the best use.

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I just wish they would keep this "carbon neutral" bs out of the discussion. Just because you purchase credits that allow pollution what is really being solved?

Political expediency and many pats on the back. None of this is solving anything, its just making the environmentalists feel good about themselves.


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